HTM: guns on college campuses

justrachet · February 2011

Is this a good idea: allowing college students to carry concealed weapons to class?

"It's strictly a matter of self-defense," state Sen. Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio) told the AP. "I don?t ever want to see repeated on a Texas college campus what happened at Virginia Tech, where some deranged, suicidal madman goes into a building and is able to pick off totally defenseless kids like sitting ducks."

But, is a shootout between kids really going to lead to a better situation?

alyssa44 · February 2011

On the college campus I attended, this would be a terrible idea.

On any given day/time at least half of our student population was intoxicated. (It was a pretty big party school).

I would not feel safe.

On the other hand, DH & I got in a discussion about TX the other day (I know, we have weird conversation). DH is big into freedoms of carrying weapons. He swears that TX has the least amount of bar fights because its common to carry a weapon in the state (not so sure the truth on this, but I'm sure someone here can state if this is true or not).

I don't see this working well on any college campus in NJ.

burkems · February 2011

We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.

Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.

We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.

I can see it going both ways.

Five_letter · February 2011

I just don't feel that a bunch of 18-25 year olds are the best choice to be carrying concealed weapons.They're not mature enough to fully realize the lifelong implications of some of their actions.

They're a generation of immediate needs satisfaction. Not to mention all the binge drinking that goes on during college.

I would rather armed guards or perhaps allowing the ROTC students to carry to defend if necessary.

Five_letter · February 2011

burkems:
We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.
Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.
We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.
I can see it going both ways.

I would also think that a hospital setting would case extreme emotions that sometimes can't be controlled. Add weapons to the mix, and it could be tragic.

iheartcutepuppies · February 2011

I agree with every single thing Marcy said.

I do not think it's a good idea one bit.

alyssa44 · February 2011

Five_letter:
burkems:
We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.
Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.
We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.
I can see it going both ways.
I would also think that a hospital setting would case extreme emotions that sometimes can't be controlled. Add weapons to the mix, and it could be tragic.

Have you guys seen that show Bad Day To Be Born? It was a TLC special I think. A gunman took over the maternity ward of a hospital-a woman was in active labor. I wouldn't want to be her. She did deliver and made it out alright. The gunman let them go after watching the birth.

Five_letter · February 2011

alyssa44:
Five_letter:
burkems:
We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.
Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.
We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.
I can see it going both ways.
I would also think that a hospital setting would case extreme emotions that sometimes can't be controlled. Add weapons to the mix, and it could be tragic.

Have you guys seen that show Bad Day To Be Born? It was a TLC special I think. A gunman took over the maternity ward of a hospital-a woman was in active labor. I wouldn't want to be her. She did deliver and made it out alright. The gunman let them go after watching the birth.

No! Was it a true story? I'd love to watch it but it might give me nightmares considering my current "condition" LOL .

iheartcutepuppies · February 2011

Five_letter:
alyssa44:
Five_letter:
burkems:
We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.
Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.
We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.
I can see it going both ways.
I would also think that a hospital setting would case extreme emotions that sometimes can't be controlled. Add weapons to the mix, and it could be tragic.

Have you guys seen that show Bad Day To Be Born? It was a TLC special I think. A gunman took over the maternity ward of a hospital-a woman was in active labor. I wouldn't want to be her. She did deliver and made it out alright. The gunman let them go after watching the birth.
No! Was it a true story? I'd love to watch it but it might give me nightmares considering my current "condition" LOL .

I remember hearing about this. I will NOT be watching it any time soon.

doxgirl · February 2011

alyssa44:
Five_letter:
burkems:

We have been talking about this at work lately (only on hospital property) because of recent expansion of Iowa gun laws that make it easier to get a carry/conceal permit.

Ultimately, we chose to prohibit weapons inside the facility and post signs indicating such. The main argument against prohibiting weapons included the above statement about self-defense, but also the idea that a gunman would be less likely to attempt a shooting in a place where people were allowed to carry.

We chose to prohibit with the logic that we are providing a calming, healing environment and weapons would unnecessarily add to tension. Really though, for us, it's kind of a non-issue, as we don't have a whole lot of clientele coming in with weapons.

I can see it going both ways.

I would also think that a hospital setting would case extreme emotions that sometimes can't be controlled. Add weapons to the mix, and it could be tragic.

Have you guys seen that show Bad Day To Be Born? It was a TLC special I think. A gunman took over the maternity ward of a hospital-a woman was in active labor. I wouldn't want to be her. She did deliver and made it out alright. The gunman let them go after watching the birth.

I watched this while pregnant.

alyssa44 · February 2011

Totally true story!

They believe that the birth actually made the gunman let them go. He had a "changed" heart.

amethyst1220 · February 2011

it was a big deal when i was in college and they made a decision to allow the SECURITY OFFICERS to carry weapons. definitely made me feel safer.

i can't imagine the college where i work now ever letting students carry concealed, and i don't think it's a good idea (maturity, drinking, etc.)

now, as far as freedoms go, i do think individuals should have the right to carry concealed... but respect places where it is prohibited (courthouses, hospitals, etc.).

Vikki2pay · February 2011

Five_letter:

I just don't feel that a bunch of 18-25 year olds are the best choice to be carrying concealed weapons.They're not mature enough to fully realize the lifelong implications of some of their actions.

My thought exactly.

Who would think it would be a good idea to let "kids" carry concealed weapons on a college campus that's full of parties and alcohol, that's just a recipe for disaster.

janda309 · February 2011

alyssa44:
On the college campus I attended, this would be a terrible idea.
On any given day/time at least half of our student population was intoxicated. (It was a pretty big party school).
I would not feel safe.
On the other hand, DH & I got in a discussion about TX the other day (I know, we have weird conversation). DH is big into freedoms of carrying weapons. He swears that TX has the least amount of bar fights because its common to carry a weapon in the state (not so sure the truth on this, but I'm sure someone here can state if this is true or not).
I don't see this working well on any college campus in NJ.

Coming from a Texan...... Yes, MANY people have CCL licenses here including my brother, father, and myself (yes, me too). With that said, my brother and father got theirs for "fun". They go to the shooting range and "bond". They carry in their cars but not often on their person. I no longer own a gun. I had one in college (yes, college) because I dated a psychopath. It was a safety issue.

Now, we all know Texans love to hunt....a lot. I would venture to say that is why a lot of people own guns here. I couldn't tell you if that is why there are less bar fights or not. In fact, I'd like to see research on that...ha!

In normal circumstances, I don't think it's a good idea at all to allow college aged people to carry guns. Drinking and weapons are not a good combination. It's a 2 edged sword. I see the point of self protection but I also see the stupidity of college students. Why not give security weapons? Texas Tech had their own police, ROTC and security. I could even see letting professors carry with CCL permits but for the general population...no.

aligator423uf · February 2011

I'm definitely against this issue. I would support increased security being armed, and even ROTC. But no, I do not think that every average college student needs to bring a gun to class.

justrachet · February 2011

I can definitely get on the armed security train.

As the bill is, I envision many would be heroic 21 year old boys trying to take out the crazed shooter and killing more innocent people in the process. I just see this ending in disaster. I also can see the bill being passed, considering this is Texas...

LarissaAnn · February 2011

iheartcutepuppies:
I agree with every single thing Marcy said.
I do not think it's a good idea one bit.

Same here.

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