September 2008 Weddings
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Julia & Mary (any other WI people?)
What do you think of the circus happening at your statehouse lately?
It's quite appauling to me. Nobody is playing by the "rules". I can actually say for once that it isn't my state that is the circus.
Re: Julia & Mary (any other WI people?)
(The part in Italics was copied from another post I made)
Well, I admire the democrats for walking out.
Without going too much into the bill ... it's a very drastic bill that would take away the collective bargaining rights of government workers (teachers, police, firefighters, etc.) so basically saying that unions would have no more negotiating power. Wisconsin was the birthplace of collective bargaining and now this bill threatens to undo that. If it passes here, there are many other state inline to follow.
There is another section to it about benefits, but that is really not the controversial point that is causing the protests and the walk outs.
What happened was our new governor came up with this bill and 48 hours later wanted a vote on it. The democrats knowing they wouldn't have enough votes to stop the bill had asked the governor to sit down and talk with them about it,but he all out refused.
The gov't is supposed to be about negotiating and compromise and pushing the bill through w/out being fully able to explore it, understand it, know exactly what one is voting on can be dangerous.
It's really the question of why not give the opportunity to both side to review, consider, and make it the best bill to begin with.
I think the democrats who walked out were trying to stand up for those who voted and put them there (many of whom are protesting) because they were left with little other choice. Also, by leaving, they were hoping this would convince the republicans that the bill was not ready to be voted on.
If even 1 democrat showed up, the bill could have been voted on and the republicans outnumber the dems so again it would have been passed and no discussion.
If the parties were reversed, I would honestly expect or hope maybe for the same reaction.
Now, the governor keep threatening to proceed with hundreds of layoffs because he believes that or this bill are the only 2 ways to balance our budget.
Funny thing, it's been figured out a number of times that if each adult in WI paid $32.00 the deficit would be gone. Um, I'll gladly pay that.
Also, even more appalling, WI is one of 6 states that has a governor's residence. The mansion on Lake Mendota is 16,000 sq ft w/ 34 rooms, 7 bedrooms, 7 gardens, and is worth 2.5 million. Taxpayers supply maids, cooks, a gardener, maintenance, etc. at a cost of 275,000 annually. Governor Walker was previously asked if he would be willing to sell the property and pay for his own housing. The answer was a resounding NO. Pathetic. if he wants to do budget cuts, he needs to start in his own backyard.
The whole situation upsets me. Overall, I think it will make is great case study for future classes in my graduate program on how things can go wrong.
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I'll admit that I don't fully understand what is going on. I mean, I get the part about what the governor is asking, but the whole voting in the early morning thing before the Dems could show up boggled my mind. Jo, I read the article you posted on FB earlier and it said that only 13 of the 38 (ish) Dems were even able to vote b/c the rolls were only open for a brief time. I guess I don't understand how voting on bills works, but that just seems shady to me.
Now it goes to the Senate, and those are the guys who are hiding out in IL.
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That's pretty much my problem with what happened with the vote. Regardless of how I stand on the bill (which I will say that I haven't read), that vote was shady and not how I interpret democracy. Yes, majority still "rules", but they should all get a vote if they are there.
From my understanding, they closed it quickly so that they could keep them from voting. I'm interpreting it as a way to make a point since the passage of the bill would have still had the majority. I'm not sure how that is legal, but I'm not totally versed in that. Some of those legislators had their hands on their buttons to vote and couldn't. That's just not right, in my opinion.
I think I said this earlier, but it makes me sad that this is even happening, that as a society we have come to where we can't even attempt to work together to solve a problem. That we're so entrenched in our own beliefs that we can't take the time to even hear someone else out. It really bothers me. I guess the last two years of classes have done their job on me
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