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Article--discuss

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110504/us_time/08599206932700

This might not turn into a huge discussion/debate (especially since N&M doesn't come over), but I always felt this way about what happened that morning and it's nice to see that there are others who did/do too.

Re: Article--discuss

  • How very interesting to read their perspectives.  I never really thought about it from the children's perspectives, but I wasn't one that was upset that Bush didn't jump up and run out. 
  • I read about this in his book in detail and I believe he absolutely did the right thing and I respect him for being able to keep his composure.

    I don't understand the problem, I guess.   If he had left 10 minutes earlier, would it have changed anything?  Nope.

     

     

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    How very interesting to read their perspectives.  I never really thought about it from the children's perspectives, but I wasn't one that was upset that Bush didn't jump up and run out. 

    While I don't teach that age group, I know enough and have been around children that age enough to know that, the minute you start acting like a crazy person, they start acting crazy too.  

  • After reading the positive impact it seems to have had on the students, and how some of them thought he might be angry with them... I just had a wild thought.

    If he had just jumped up and hurriedly exited.... kids that young might somehow associate that what happened was their fault.  (You know, since the President wasn't on duty to "stop it")

  • imagejuliebug1997:

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    How very interesting to read their perspectives.  I never really thought about it from the children's perspectives, but I wasn't one that was upset that Bush didn't jump up and run out. 

    While I don't teach that age group, I know enough and have been around children that age enough to know that, the minute you start acting like a crazy person, they start acting crazy too.  

    I'm with both of you.  I wasn't upset either (I actually think he would have been screwed either way and had he gotten up, people would complain) and he is an adult, they are kids- you can't freak out on them and pile your emotion on them, if that makes sense.

  • Agreed. If he had gotten up in a crazy whirlwind and the photographer had captured the president running out in a panic with 30 7 year olds crying in the background - that would have been used as more fuel for the fire - the rally cry then would have been that he should have stayed and not hurt those children.

    The world changed in ten seconds, the ten minutes following made no difference at all. We should just feel blessed the terrorists didn't get wind of his location and make the elementary school one of their targets.

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  • imageTiffany618:

    After reading the positive impact it seems to have had on the students, and how some of them thought he might be angry with them... I just had a wild thought.

    If he had just jumped up and hurriedly exited.... kids that young might somehow associate that what happened was their fault.  (You know, since the President wasn't on duty to "stop it")

    I agree with this.  I also agree that 10 minutes would not have mattered, IMO.  What could he have done in 10 minutes?  Emergency services has already been called and were responding.  All the people that caused the crashes, were dead.  It's not like OBL was hanging around watching it happen where he could have been caught. 

     Also, in general I'm pretty against people getting in an uproar about every. single. little. thing. the President does.  And I don't mean just President Bush.

    ETA: And I don't mean to stir the pot with that last sentence.  I probably could have worded it better, because I don't mean just Obama, either.  I meant it more of a general blanket.

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    Also, in general I'm pretty against people getting in an uproar about every. single. little. thing. the President does.  And I don't mean just President Bush.

    ETA: And I don't mean to stir the pot with that last sentence.  I probably could have worded it better, because I don't mean just Obama, either.  I meant it more of a general blanket.

    I totally agree with that last sentence Lacey. 

  • imageTiffany618:

    I read about this in his book in detail and I believe he absolutely did the right thing and I respect him for being able to keep his composure.

    I don't understand the problem, I guess.   If he had left 10 minutes earlier, would it have changed anything?  Nope.

    THIS exactly!

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    Agreed. If he had gotten up in a crazy whirlwind and the photographer had captured the president running out in a panic with 30 7 year olds crying in the background - that would have been used as more fuel for the fire - the rally cry then would have been that he should have stayed and not hurt those children.

    The world changed in ten seconds, the ten minutes following made no difference at all. We should just feel blessed the terrorists didn't get wind of his location and make the elementary school one of their targets.

    I had never thought of that.

    My husband is one who extremely dislikes Obama.  I don't care for him myself but I think that some people go overboard in their nitpicking, just like people did with W.

  • I agree with you ladies!  I think what he did was the right thing by trying to keep everyone calm.  And also, I agree that people are going to judge him no matter what he did. 
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  • Wow, how did I never hear about this story? I guess I never thought about where the president was at that moment. But, yes, it's good that he stayed.
  • I completely think that W. did the right thing by staying for the last 10 mins.  If he would have panicked that wouldn't have a been a good thing.  I think it shows who he is as a person, strong and steadfast (at the very least). 
  • Lacey - I agree with your last sentence, too. 

    Does fundamentally disagreeing with policy decisions count as nitpicking? 

  • People of America are going to nitpick every President we have. Right wing, left wing, it doesn't matter. They're our Commander-in-Chief, all eyes are on them. All the time. 

    People will always criticize the moves they make, no matter what.

    Do I think he did the right thing by staying? Yes. I have always liked Bush. 

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  • Tiffany,

    Bill is more of a "he's on vacation again--does he ever work?" kind of thing.  I was a bit offended when he made the crack about bowling and the Special Olympics though.

  • Julie - Yeah I don't care about his vacation and stuff.  It's annoying but whatever.  If he isn't working then he isn't cooking up more bad decisions?

    Ouch, that was a nitpick.  My bad.

    I've had at least a dozen macroeconomics and public policy courses...maybe that is why many of Obama's ideas sound completely ludacris to me....but hey I live in my little "all things being equal" bubble too so who knows.  Maybe he is on to something.

  • Late to the party, but I read this article and I am very thankful that he sat and waited until the story was done.  I think that it speaks volumes of his character (as a man and as a President) to sit still, not freak out, remain composed and finished the task at hand... no matter how small it was in obvious comparison to what was happening.  And to read about the students now 10 years later - respecting him for that and thanking him for handling it so well - is awesome.

  • I pretty much agree with all points basically because of what someone said. If he did leave immediately what would he have accomplished? Would he have been able to stop anything? Absolutely not! What freak out the kids then? Finish what you're doing and then move on.
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    People of America are going to nitpick every President we have. Right wing, left wing, it doesn't matter. They're our Commander-in-Chief, all eyes are on them. All the time. 

    People will always criticize the moves they make, no matter what.

    Do I think he did the right thing by staying? Yes. I have always liked Bush. 

    Completely agree, no one will ever be a "perfect" president, but they are our leader and we must be respectful of the weight on their shoulders whether we are a fan of them or not.  

    This article was interesting, and I am glad that as an adult he remained with the class until the story was finished.  Knowing that those children can look back and understand his reaction and respect it is a good thing IMO. 

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  • imageTiffany618:

    I've had at least a dozen macroeconomics and public policy courses...maybe that is why many of Obama's ideas sound completely ludacris to me....but hey I live in my little "all things being equal" bubble too so who knows.  Maybe he is on to something.

    And this is why I love you :)

    I hate his policies. I have often wondered, "Did you even take an Intro Macro OR Micro Econ class in college? Intro buddy, intro.  

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    Julie - Yeah I don't care about his vacation and stuff.  It's annoying but whatever.  If he isn't working then he isn't cooking up more bad decisions?

    Ouch, that was a nitpick.  My bad.

    I've had at least a dozen macroeconomics and public policy courses...maybe that is why many of Obama's ideas sound completely ludacris to me....but hey I live in my little "all things being equal" bubble too so who knows.  Maybe he is on to something.

    LOL Tiffany my first though after reading your post was, Who brought a rapper into this?? Stick out tongue

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  • Ludacris the rapper is definitely a part of this! ;-)

  • I think you mean ludicrous. Wink
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  • Aw, man.  Details, details.
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