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Catholics vs. IVF

I was over on the TTTC board and someone posted this link.

I was raised Catholic and regularly attended Catholic church until L and I got married.  For the most part, I support the church's stance on just about everything.

This article really stings though.  

Because L and I can't get pregnant with just sex, are we just supposed to live with that and not ever pursue other options to procreate?  According to the church, yes.

Discuss?

TTC since April 2009 ~ Unexplained IF 3 IUI's later....EDD 6.28.12 BabyFruit Ticker

Re: Catholics vs. IVF

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  • What is the church's opinion on adoption and/or foster adopt?

     

  • Well, I'm going to put that on my long list of things I don't agree with the Catholic Church about! It makes me sad to hear about people being judged and excluded from their faith by institutional discrimination. So, as much as I may believe many of the central beliefs of Catholicism, there's just no way I could participate in the institution.

  • imageSSM&JLM:

    What is the church's opinion on adoption and/or foster adopt?

    I can't find where it specifically says this, but I think the Church praises adoption because they are so pro-life and adoption means that a life was saved.

    I want a chance to try to carry my own child.  If that doesn't work out, then we'll look in to adoption but it hurts me to think that the church I grew up in, participated in and gave money to would chastise me (or people like me) who may have to look to IVF in order to get pregnant.  That's not fair.

    Additionally, they frown upon IUI's, which is probably our next step.

    TTC since April 2009 ~ Unexplained IF 3 IUI's later....EDD 6.28.12 BabyFruit Ticker
  • imageRebekistan:

    Well, I'm going to put that on my long list of things I don't agree with the Catholic Church about! It makes me sad to hear about people being judged and excluded from their faith by institutional discrimination. So, as much as I may believe many of the central beliefs of Catholicism, there's just no way I could participate in the institution.

    Ditto!

    Also,you said this much nicer than I would have been able to. 

  • imagePlumCallaLily:
    imageSSM&JLM:

    What is the church's opinion on adoption and/or foster adopt?

    I can't find where it specifically says this, but I think the Church praises adoption because they are so pro-life and adoption means that a life was saved.

    I want a chance to try to carry my own child.  If that doesn't work out, then we'll look in to adoption but it hurts me to think that the church I grew up in, participated in and gave money to would chastise me (or people like me) who may have to look to IVF in order to get pregnant.  That's not fair.

    Additionally, they frown upon IUI's, which is probably our next step.

    Interesting I was just curious.

    I'm not going to get into a religious debate, as I know my views aren't the majority, but I think, you need to do what's best for your family.

  • imageSSM&JLM:
    imagePlumCallaLily:
    imageSSM&JLM:

    What is the church's opinion on adoption and/or foster adopt?

    I can't find where it specifically says this, but I think the Church praises adoption because they are so pro-life and adoption means that a life was saved.

    I want a chance to try to carry my own child.  If that doesn't work out, then we'll look in to adoption but it hurts me to think that the church I grew up in, participated in and gave money to would chastise me (or people like me) who may have to look to IVF in order to get pregnant.  That's not fair.

    Additionally, they frown upon IUI's, which is probably our next step.

    Interesting I was just curious.

    I'm not going to get into a religious debate, as I know my views aren't the majority, but I think, you need to do what's best for your family.

    Totally not looking to slam a whole religion (especially one that I grew up in) but I am saying how crappy it is.  I would for sure do what's best for my family.

    TTC since April 2009 ~ Unexplained IF 3 IUI's later....EDD 6.28.12 BabyFruit Ticker
  • imagePlumCallaLily:
    imageSSM&JLM:
    imagePlumCallaLily:
    imageSSM&JLM:

    What is the church's opinion on adoption and/or foster adopt?

    I can't find where it specifically says this, but I think the Church praises adoption because they are so pro-life and adoption means that a life was saved.

    I want a chance to try to carry my own child.  If that doesn't work out, then we'll look in to adoption but it hurts me to think that the church I grew up in, participated in and gave money to would chastise me (or people like me) who may have to look to IVF in order to get pregnant.  That's not fair.

    Additionally, they frown upon IUI's, which is probably our next step.

    Interesting I was just curious.

    I'm not going to get into a religious debate, as I know my views aren't the majority, but I think, you need to do what's best for your family.

    Totally not looking to slam a whole religion (especially one that I grew up in) but I am saying how crappy it is.  I would for sure do what's best for my family.

    Oh no, I meant more in that I've never quite understood organized religion, not that I support Catholics. 

  • I think there comes a time when you have to put your faith in God, which may or not coincide with what your specific "branch" of Christianity may support.

    If you feel like IUI/IVF is the right next step for your family, then I believe God will support your decision. Otherwise he wouldn't have lead you to it, and you wouldn't have felt comfort in that decision. 

    And the church isn't always right. I feel there's a lot of "do as I preach, not as I do". I wonder what they would say if it was their children looking into that option.

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    I think there comes a time when you have to put your faith in God, which may or not coincide with what your specific "branch" of Christianity may support.

    If you feel like IUI/IVF is the right next step for your family, then I believe God will support your decision. Otherwise he wouldn't have lead you to it, and you wouldn't have felt comfort in that decision. 

    And the church isn't always right. I feel there's a lot of "do as I preach, not as I do". I wonder what they would say if it was their children looking into that option.

    Word. Go with GOD and where/what he leads you, not humans who happen to run a church and make decisions based on how they interpret the Word, etc.

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  • imageRebekistan:

    Well, I'm going to put that on my long list of things I don't agree with the Catholic Church about! It makes me sad to hear about people being judged and excluded from their faith by institutional discrimination. So, as much as I may believe many of the central beliefs of Catholicism, there's just no way I could participate in the institution.

    Very well put.

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  • I think I have said this before but I like to call myself a selective Catholic who is just biding her time waiting for Vatican III.

     

  • The church likes adoption which is why adoption is a part of Catholic Charities. As a PP said, this way it was one less abortion. It has to do with the science aspect of IVF and IUI. Some of the church's ideas have become outdated over the years. To me, you can have a family whichever way works best for you. I would also like to think the church would appreciate members of the church to have children (whatever way) and raise them to be Catholic.
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  • As a Catholic with fertility issues, I believe that God made this an option for women whether or not the church agrees with that or not. I am a practicing Catholic but there is a lot that I think the church needs to catch up on (divorce, birth control, fertility treatments). I think that you have to do what your all feel is best for you all and what your heart is telling you, and God will provide you with the baby you were supposed to have.

    I was headed down the same path as you, and had two rounds of Clomid. I thought about this a lot. I found it so hard to believe that God would provide me with this strong desire to have kids but have me not be able to conceive, on my own or with medical intervention. He definitely interceded and gave me the baby we are supposed to have, and I know he will do the same for you all.

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  • As someone who was born & raised Catholic, I disagree with the church on this one. My mom was a nun, and she and I have talked a lot about some of this stuff. I just don't think that an institution run by old men who have never attempted to have families of their own should make decisions on how families should look and feel. You know what's right for you and your situation. Trust that God brought you to this decision for a reason. If He were really against it, you would be too. Just my two cents.

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  • imageMarJo03:

    I think there comes a time when you have to put your faith in God, which may or not coincide with what your specific "branch" of Christianity may support.

    If you feel like IUI/IVF is the right next step for your family, then I believe God will support your decision. Otherwise he wouldn't have lead you to it, and you wouldn't have felt comfort in that decision. 

    And the church isn't always right. I feel there's a lot of "do as I preach, not as I do". I wonder what they would say if it was their children looking into that option.

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  • imagebrie&drew:
    As someone who was born & raised Catholic, I disagree with the church on this one. My mom was a nun, and she and I have talked a lot about some of this stuff. I just don't think that an institution run by old men who have never attempted to have families of their own should make decisions on how families should look and feel. You know what's right for you and your situation. Trust that God brought you to this decision for a reason. If He were really against it, you would be too. Just my two cents.

    Oh wow!  That's interesting!  Why did she stop being a nun?

     

    Thanks for your input everyone!  I wasn't really looking for validation on moving forward with treatments, just simply stating how crappy I think it is for the Church to alienate members for simply wanting to carry babies and then raise them in a good home.  I will never set foot in a Catholic Church again - unless there are major changes. 

    I had a hard time not going to Catholic Church every weekend when L and I got engaged/married because it's all I'd ever known. L is Baptist and refused to go.  Because I wasn't 100% set on being Catholic (had some conflicting thoughts on some practices anyway - like remarriage after divorce and not being able to take communion anymore - so I felt that as long as L and I were on the same page with our beliefs and had a strong relationship with God, it didn't matter what religion we were.  We were not married in a Catholic Church.  My mom and the rest of my family had a hard time with that because I wasn't receiving the sacrament of marriage.

    The older and wiser I get, I realize the less I agree with some of what the Catholic Church practices. This latest discovery solidifies that for me. 

    I'm not saying that those of you who are practicing Catholics are any less of a Christian - I am just saying it's not for me anymore.   I've lost faith in an institution who would literally turn its back on me because I can't conceive naturally.

    TTC since April 2009 ~ Unexplained IF 3 IUI's later....EDD 6.28.12 BabyFruit Ticker
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