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Pro or Anti Death Penalty?
So one one of the other sites I read someone posted about this HORRIFIC story. WARNING, it's pretty terrible, no pictures or anything, but it is a sad and horrific
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/121618453.html?viewAll=y
Anyway, it started evolving into whether or not this guy should get the death penalty. I used to be very much against the death penalty but have softened in the recent years especially given the stats on how much it costs to incarcerate an inmate.
So I'm wondering what you ladies stand on this debate?
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For this POS? Pro
he willing took another's life (nevermind an innocent 9 year old and the things he tormented her with before ending her life) and admitted to it. i have no sympathy for these people and aside from "an eye for an eye" get this scum off the face of the earth.
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The costs are outrageous for what we provide inmates. My family lived without cable for eons and our taxes pay for inmates to know more about The Modern Family than we do. I pray for the inmates that they are forgiven of their transgressions, but I believe fully in consequences based on actions. Death penalty - absolutely for it.
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Well said.
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I didn't read the article, but this is a question that is REALLY REALLY hard for me, especially as a defense attorney.
I used to not believe in the death penalty because I thought that bad people should have to sit in jail and rot and live with what they did, and getting executed was an easy way out in a sense. Now I know that jail really doesn't suck all that bad, especially if you don't have income/family/loved ones so that argument doesn't fly.
My main argument against the death penalty is that there is such a thing as a wrongful conviction. It happens all the time, and often people are exonerated after spending years behind bars. Can you imagine if the State executed these innocent people? That's called murder, in my opinion.
But, at the same time, yeah I think that for some truly evil people there is no sentence that is fair other than death.
All that to say, I just don't know where I stand on this....
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here.
Although this case seems pretty black-and-white, it is hard for me to say that anyone "should" die. Like Rachel said, in a few cases people are wrongly convicted and we could be murdering an innocent person. If we don't take the death penalty very seriously in every case, it could become overused to the point where we would be killing a few innocent people along with many guilty people. That does not seem worth it to me!
Likewise, if this person ended up being mentally ill, then they should be given therapy and counseling to beat this illness, not death. Just imagine if we started executing mentally ill patients that couldn't afford therapy and let their illness take control of their body, this would be a disservice to all Americans that believe in basic human rights.
Finally, I think that these cases could provide a valuable tool for preventing future cases. If we can study this person's habits and history and potential therapy, we may be able to prevent these cases in the future. I am a big believer in being proactive!
I do agree that jails are much too overcrowded and sometimes provide more commodities that I have as a grad student. However, most of the people in jail are there for more minor misdemeanors (like possession of marijuana in CA) and this could be easily remedied by legalizing marijuana or setting up other rehab facilities that are less costly. I believe it is worth the money to keep dangerous criminals in jail and to find alternative solutions for the more "petty" criminals. But do they really need access to cable TV? That is a different debate.
I'll just end with one of my favorite quotes from Gandalf (LOTR): Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
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I couldn't agree with you more right there, darlin. While I have to politely disagree on using money to keep dangerous criminals locked up rather than utilize the death penalty as an alternative solution, I couldn't agree with you more that petty crimes (i.e. for something that clearly just needs to be legalized) should be looked at differently.
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I just have to chime in on this because this happened in the town I LIVE IN. Like 5 blocks from my house. Like 5 blocks from both my jobs. This is a small town where lots of people know each other. DH grew up here and my kids walk around to local parks, and I insist that they not go alone because of things like this can happen even in a small town.
Regarding the question Amanda posed, as far as children go I am most certainly pro death penalty. It's just pure cruelty to harm an innocent child.
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For what it's worth, our jail only provides non-cable television, and we have one of the fanciest county jails in Florida. They do get to watch the Super Bowl, which I think is funny. One girl even made her honey buns into footballs in honor of the Super Bowl.
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I'm mostly anti, except in very extreme cases - like a serial killer. I think it's a barbaric practice that's overused in a lot of cases; for example, a situation where a strung out druggie kills the clerk of a convenience store he's robbing and gets the death penalty. I mean, where do you draw the line? The possibility that an innocent person could get executed is another issue, although I imagine that's lessening as DNA evidence is used more.
I've read that it is actually more expensive to execute a prisoner than to keep him in prison for life because of the high number of appeals, preparation for the execution, etc., but I don't know if that's true. In any case, costs should not be the justification for executing someone. Although I do agree that prisoners should not have access to cable TV!
I'm lovin all the answers. I definitely think that prisons are WAY overcrowded and there are too many petty criminals in the prison system. Personally I think that there should be more community service/restitution paid like they do in other countries.
I think the Death Penalty should be for very violent and brutal crimes, such as this one. Either that or they need to be thrown into a hole and never see the light of day again.
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Agreed! Make them work for their meals and cable.
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