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We may have talked about this before (S/O Trial)

What are your thoughts on the death penalty? Feel free to chastise me if this has been talked about recently.
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Re: We may have talked about this before (S/O Trial)

  • Actually, I don't think we've talked about this recently, but it's always an interesting discussion.

    I'm all for the death penalty in heinous crimes where there's DNA proof, credible witnesses & all that jazz. I actually tend to agree with the State of Texas & their expressway to death row. As tax payers, why should we pay for them to live decades when they're just going to get executed?

    On that note, I'm also all for the reinstatment of the firing squad:

    A) It's cheaper

    B) It's more humane (not that they necessarily deserve humanity)

    C) It's quicker

    Yes

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  • imageClaireDunphy:

    Actually, I don't think we've talked about this recently, but it's always an interesting discussion.

    I'm all for the death penalty in heinous crimes where there's DNA proof, credible witnesses & all that jazz. I actually tend to agree with the State of Texas & their expressway to death row. As tax payers, why should we pay for them to live decades when they're just going to get executed?

    Yes

    I'm all for it as well in these cases. I don't think it shoudl be used in circumstantial cases.
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  • imageClaireDunphy:

    Actually, I don't think we've talked about this recently, but it's always an interesting discussion.

    I'm all for the death penalty in heinous crimes where there's DNA proof, credible witnesses & all that jazz. I actually tend to agree with the State of Texas & their expressway to death row. As tax payers, why should we pay for them to live decades when they're just going to get executed?

    On that note, I'm also all for the reinstatment of the firing squad:

    A) It's cheaper

    B) It's more humane (not that they necessarily deserve humanity)

    C) It's quicker

    Yes


    Perhaps I'm uneducated on this one....it's more humane than lethal injection?!
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  • I agree, it can/should be used in cut and dry cases with witnesses, DNA, etc. I don't know how many appeals a person can have, but I think there should be a limit on those as well so death penalty cases don't drag out. If there's overwhelming evidence, I'm for it. But as Kappa pointed out, if it's going to be appealed and cost even more than life in prison, then I'm against it. 
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    imageClaireDunphy:

    Actually, I don't think we've talked about this recently, but it's always an interesting discussion.

    I'm all for the death penalty in heinous crimes where there's DNA proof, credible witnesses & all that jazz. I actually tend to agree with the State of Texas & their expressway to death row. As tax payers, why should we pay for them to live decades when they're just going to get executed?

    On that note, I'm also all for the reinstatment of the firing squad:

    A) It's cheaper

    B) It's more humane (not that they necessarily deserve humanity)

    C) It's quicker

    Yes


    Perhaps I'm uneducated on this one....it's more humane than lethal injection?!

    A sharp-shooter can aim for the recipient to die immediately upon hit. Just straight to the temple. Dead.

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  • I've seen a few cases where the lethal injection wasn't enough or took too long, it happened in Ohio recently because I remember it on the local news. 
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  • Here's one where they tried 18 times to get a vein before they sent the murdered back to his cell

    http://m24digital.com/en/2009/10/11/romell-broom-describes-his-dramatic-experience-with-failed-lethal-injection/

    Not that I don't think what he did was heinous and he doesn't deserve to sit on the brink of death, shizing his pants... but it's not really humane I suppose.  

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  • imageashleemw:
    I've seen a few cases where the lethal injection wasn't enough or took too long, it happened in Ohio recently because I remember it on the local news. 

    True. I guess I just question the psychological impact of being lined up in front of a firing squad. I'm sure it's not so great when you're awaiting a lethal injection either though...

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    imageashleemw:
    I've seen a few cases where the lethal injection wasn't enough or took too long, it happened in Ohio recently because I remember it on the local news. 

    True. I guess I just question the psychological impact of being lined up in front of a firing squad. I'm sure it's not so great when you're awaiting a lethal injection either though...

    Either way, there's a psychological impact. Knowing you're walking into a room to get lethal injection or electrocuted? Immiment death is going to have psychological impact regardless. I think my point about humanity was the quickness & reliability of death as opposed to psychological.

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    imageclseale13:

    imageashleemw:
    I've seen a few cases where the lethal injection wasn't enough or took too long, it happened in Ohio recently because I remember it on the local news. 

    True. I guess I just question the psychological impact of being lined up in front of a firing squad. I'm sure it's not so great when you're awaiting a lethal injection either though...

    Either way, there's a psychological impact. Knowing you're walking into a room to get lethal injection or electrocuted? Immiment death is going to have psychological impact regardless. I think my point about humanity was the quickness & reliability of death as opposed to psychological.

    Does a psychological impact really matter if you're going to be dead in a couple of minutes anyway?

    I'm totally for the death penalty. There needs to be definite proof, but if there is, I see no reason taxpayers should pay for someone to just sit in jail. Plus, how many times do you hear about someone getting out of jail just to commit the same crime again? Ditto CD though, none of this sitting in jail for 30 years before you die.

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    I'm totally for the death penalty. There needs to be definite proof, but if there is, I see no reason taxpayers should pay for someone to just sit in jail. Plus, how many times do you hear about someone getting out of jail just to commit the same crime again? Ditto CD though, none of this sitting in jail for 30 years before you die.

    Don't even get me started regarding recitivism rates. I think most of y'all know what DH does... He's currently in a daily struggle with his boss because they're supposed to be focusing on community re-entry for offenders as opposed to catching them doing bad crap. Him & his boss fight constantly because he's always finding drugs, guns, etc when he does searches & then essentially sending people back to jail/prison. Apparently that's not the goal of his job. Indifferent

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  • Yeah, there are all kinds of debates over various errors with the lethal injection, like it being inserted in the wrong place and the guy's arm showing burns from it bubbling under the skin instead of the vein, or too long between the paralysis injection and the one that stops their heart, so that it's essentially smothering them to death, etc. In those cases, I bet they wished it was the firing squad or even hanging.

    I hate to delineate between murders, but there are murders and there are murders. In cases where someone just shot someone else, or if it was a singular crime of passion, even if it was planned, no. But if it's a monstrous crime that shows they are a depraved human being and there is solid proof that it was them, I'm for it on a Texas fast track. I don't think anyone can argue that someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy deserved to live their lives out in prison.

    ...Ok I'm sure someone could argue that, but it would be on the basis that they don't believe in the death penalty at all.

  • imageSoon2BMrsSikes:
    imageClaireDunphy:
    imageclseale13:

    imageashleemw:
    I've seen a few cases where the lethal injection wasn't enough or took too long, it happened in Ohio recently because I remember it on the local news. 

    True. I guess I just question the psychological impact of being lined up in front of a firing squad. I'm sure it's not so great when you're awaiting a lethal injection either though...

    Either way, there's a psychological impact. Knowing you're walking into a room to get lethal injection or electrocuted? Immiment death is going to have psychological impact regardless. I think my point about humanity was the quickness & reliability of death as opposed to psychological.

    Does a psychological impact really matter if you're going to be dead in a couple of minutes anyway?

    I'm totally for the death penalty. There needs to be definite proof, but if there is, I see no reason taxpayers should pay for someone to just sit in jail. Plus, how many times do you hear about someone getting out of jail just to commit the same crime again? Ditto CD though, none of this sitting in jail for 30 years before you die.


    No, not really. I think it factors into the overall humanity of it though. Although like Devon originally stated, I'm not even sure how concerned I am with humanity for them. I was just thinking out loud. I'm not really sure which method would be best overall. In the right situation with the right supportive evidence I'm for the death penalty. 
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  • I agree with what most of you guys said - if it's a case where there is proof then we need to nix the multiple appeals and send them down the express line and minimize the cost to tax payers as much as possible.  I don't mean to sound heartless, but I'm not really worried about the how humane their death is.. if they're being put to death, it's for a darn good reason and maybe it's good if they suffer a bit.

     

    CD - That's really sad about your DH's boss, but it doesn't surprise me at all :(

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