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KCCI.com reports measles in Dallas Co.
http://www.kcci.com/health/28008737/detail.html
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Re: KCCI.com reports measles in Dallas Co.
awesome. this should totally piss off anyone who loves a baby who is too young to be immunized or a child or elderly adult who is immuno-compromised. Adam just came home for lunch today upset b/c he had two moms storm out of the office in tears b/c he had the audacity to talk to them about getting on track w/ their childrens' immunizations.
I am no longer going to hold it in. I seriously judge people who do not immunize. It isn't fair to the rest of us. To those who want to do a delayed schedule, so long as you are still fully innoculated on time (ie, just separating the shots, but not delaying them all together), that's fine. Unnecessary, but fine. The only real advantage would be in isolating the vaccines to determine which caused a reaction, which does happen from time to time (although it is nearly always minor and even if you know you child does react to a certain vaccine the benefit of receiving the vaccine nearly always outweighs the risk). The tradeoff to separating just means more co-pays and more exposure to sick kiddos in the clinic but this is obviously a decision that should be left to parents, unlike whether or not to vaccinate all together.
Really, children today are exposed to fewer antibodies in ALL vaccines combined than they were in 1900 when they received only the small pox vaccine. And if anyone out there still seriously believes there is ANY connection whatsoever to autism, well, i have to seriously question your intellect. sorry.
I'm with you on this one All-His. I have had more MMR shots than I can remember, but cannot become immune at all to rubella and they question my immunity to measles. So, this outbreak could mean very, VERY bad things for me and for the LO. Its scary. This is one reason I love our pediatrician's office, though, as they refuse to see patients who don't immunize. It really doesn't stop anyone from not vaccinating, but at least I don't have to worry about them being at our clinic.
I actually debated cancelling our outings for the rest of the week, but I hate to make Sophia suffer.
Katen got the measles from her MMR shot, confirmed by our pedi. Obviously babies and elderly can get it too because they're not fully immunized or because they are weak, so it will be interesting to see (if they even tell us) whether this is a case of someone not immunizing or one of the other handful of ways a person could get the measles.
To your main point though, All His, I agree that not immunizing at all puts people at risk and it irritates me too.
FWIW - We don't pay an extra copay, use the well-baby waiting room, and aren't putting anyone at risk by using the alternate schedule, but that's neither here nor there, really.
That is great that your clinic has removed the main reasons to not separate vaccines by not charging additional co-pays and separating the sick/well child visits. I think adam's clinic has separate spaces for both too (we always come in the back so I am not familiar w/ the waiting room), so that helps but I still dislike having to entertain 2 kiddos in the patient rooms more than necessary. In your situation though, I can understand wanting to spread them out to isolate and minimize any potential reaction.
I remember when K had her reaction, although I am not terribly familiar w/ the outcome and specifics. I am assuming (perhaps wrongly) that she had a relatively minor bout of measles that the vaccine still did its job at (hopefully) preventing her from ever contracting a severe form of environmental measles. Is there a different type of MMR that you can have in the future for a booster for her, in much the same way that some people w/ egg allergies have to receive different vaccine formulations?
I didn't mean to get a debate going!
I clearly am for vaccination, especially now that the whole autism/vaccines idea has been proven to never be true. The people who rely on the "herd method" of immunization (because the majority of people ARE immunized then why should I immunize my children? idea) is just plain silly and ignorant. There is a reason we live longer today, and it's because of modern medicine. So let's embrace that and not make our children endure illnesses that they don't have to.
Granted I have no idea how old this individual is or the circumstances around the case, just wanted to post a warning.
Gotta be careful out there ladies.
Our pedi told us that we'll cross that bridge when she's 4. Most likely she'll test her titers (I think that's the right word) to see if she's immune. I guess the booster is to cover the 5-10% of the population who don't become immune with the first dose. (You may know more about that than me. I haven't looked into it.) So she may not need it if immunity looks okay. That means a big blood draw though.
I'm not sure how environmental measles presents, but Katen started off with a fever of 104 just like bam!, climbing to 105 at times and holding around 103 with motrin/tyenol trade offs. She had a junky cough that made her throw up several times a day and her little eyes were really red and swollen for a while. It lasted for nearly 2 weeks. Luckily I was not working by then so we just stayed home. There was no public health alert though so I assume what she had was less severe than a true outbreak from exposure.
**For those of you who this scares, please do not be worried. It only happens to something like .03% of those who get the shot.
Neena Mae. 1/7/10
"A baby nursing at a mother's breast is an undeniable affirmation of our rootedness in nature." - David Suzuki
Also, not trying to start anything, but how life threatening is measles to a healthy child or adult? My mom and dad both had measles as toddlers and didn't seem to have any issues.
Neena got her first MMR at 15 months. Is that enough to protect her from it if, god forbid, I were to get it?
Neena Mae. 1/7/10
"A baby nursing at a mother's breast is an undeniable affirmation of our rootedness in nature." - David Suzuki
Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done for kiddos under 1. Those between 1-5 have partial immunity (assuming they are able to achieve it, there are those like lucinda where it won't work due to some inborn complication). Those age 5 and above should have full immunity. There is currently no booster for measles, and it should remain effective. Adam recently had his titers drawn and he was fully immune at age 34.
I don't think you really started a debate, no worries. I think mrs.reem and I generally see eye to eye on this issue. Here is the thing w/ vaccines - there are a very very small number of individuals who will have a poor reaction to the vaccine. Unfortunately there is really no way of knowing who this will be until after the vaccine is administered. It is like a risky form of the prisoner's dilemma. Technically, the best outcome that any single person could hope for would be for EVERYONE else to get all vaccines, and only that individual not to receive any. Surely with that level of compliance, herd immunity would prevail and they would be safe and avoid the extremely small chance of a negative reaction. The problem is that way too many people are taking this option/risk, and it is causing herd immunity to go away. Adam never thought he would ever see measles. When he was in med school it was a text book diagnosis only, there were no known cases in the US after it was fully erradicated b/c of the MMR vaccine. Now b/c people are selfishly choosing not to vaccinate and trying to rely on everyone else doing so, we are seeing diseases that should be history returning, and tragically claiming lives that should never be lost. We need to reserve herd immunity for those who truely need to rely on it b/c of co-morbidities or proven negative outcomes. For example, poor little Katen should not have to receive another dose of MMR, but may need to do so in order to try to ward off possible catastrophic outbreaks of measles in the future.
The fact is that society is infinitely better off w/ vaccine compliance. Vaccines have saved more lives than any other form of modern medicine. It is true of course that many of our parents did contract and survive things like measles, mumps, polio. But many others of that generation did not fare so well. We shouldn't be forced to battle morbidities that have a modern solution.
oh, and to those who may have a skepticism of physicians, federal agencies, etc. who obviously promote vaccine schedules - I can assure you that, financially speaking pediatricians would be MUCH better off should measles, etc. make a full comeback. Hospitalization reimbursement far exceeds well child visits. In fact, doctors do well to break even on vaccine administration. It is essentially just done to serve the public good. Treating diseases after the fact is far more profitable than preventing them, it just isn't responsible medicine.
Most likely you received all of your vaccinations, just like any other kid, by the time you were 8. This includes two MMR vacs. There are some (like tetanus) you get after 10 or 12ish.
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While I appreciate your passion for this subject I'm a bit confused about who you are addressing on this board. No one has ever been outspoken about it before and it didn't even come up on this post.
Neena Mae. 1/7/10
"A baby nursing at a mother's breast is an undeniable affirmation of our rootedness in nature." - David Suzuki
Sorry Jennrs, you are right. I basically have misguided my passion onto this thread b/c the subject was mentioned. I get really heated about vaccinating very quickly.
Nothing I said was meant to be directed at anyway to anyone in the thread or on the board in particular, and I regret if it came across that way. I do know, however, that there are lurkers and others that may have certain misguided beliefs and I am hoping that even if one person thinks about things more clearly after reading my vent, then I don't feel too bad about sharing.
You would be shocked by the number or parents who adam has to counsel every day about the importance of vaccines. Many do their "research" on the internet, or just listen to the "advice" of ignorant friends. We both are soooooo tired of it,it is tiring fighting a battle with those who are so passionately incorrect. I definitely spouted off my mounting frustration here and it probably wasn't the proper venue. sorry again.