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BF'ing ?

Help a tired mama out! :) We were told that Ella is supposed to eat every 2-3 hours during the day and go 4 hours between feedings. Unfortunately, nursing is the only thing that calms her at night. So I've been feeding her when she wakes up. We do check her diaper and swaddle, walk, rock, talk, etc first though.

She falls asleep on the boob. I wake her during the day, but at night she hasn't been waking so I figure she's done. Obviously, she doesn't get full since she wakes up so soon after, but how can I tell if I need to continue trying to wake her or if I should try to get some sleep? Below is her nighttime nursing log. (She did great during her first day home - 4 hrs, 3.5 hrs, 45 min (company in between), 3 hrs, 2.75 hrs.)

Saturday night, our first night home was a disaster (see blog). Between 3 and 7 we nursed every 30-45 minutes for small amounts of time. I have no idea of the actual times.

Last night, we nursed really well before bed (20 on left, 10 on right) at 10:15. We nursed at 1:45 again. She latched onto the right and would suck and swallow, but kept coming off and having to re-latch; she did this for 18 minutes. Nursed on the left for 6, changed her diaper then nursed another 22. She dozed a little, but at 3:15, she was wide awake again and nursed on the right for 10.

The rest of her eating was pretty good in terms of latching and swallowing. 4:15 5 on L, 12 on R. 5:45 10 on each. 6:50 11 on R, 5 on L. 7:45 12 on L, 8 on R. 8:30 5 on each. She's now sleeping a bit after doing about 3 on the L.

Re: BF'ing ?

  • I hope this is helpful but we'll see :)  There are no "right" amounts to bf imo.  My first nursed fifteen on each side every two hours for the first 6+ months... of course during the first few weeks it felt like I was nursing 24/7 because each feeding took30+ minutes and he would hungry 30-60 minutes later..since it was two hours since the start of the last feeding.  I woke him during the day hours if needed for awhile.  Now with my second he has always been a one side per feeding kind of guy and is under ten minutes (more like 6 sometimes) and done.  Also every two hours.  He came out of the womb being fast and efficient, I never complained :).  I think every baby has their own needs and style as well as each mommy.  I prefer the football hold for the left and the cradle for the right and if it's thrown off it feels so weird to me, lol.  Just take it one day at a time! You're doing great :)  It seem like the most impossible task the first couple months, but then it gets so so so easy.  Just go with the flow.  IMO there is no such thing as too much boob time :D Good luck!
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  • I am not sure how much advice I can offer b/c it was the exact same way with Cole.  Honestly, my biggest regret is that I followed their advice and didn't just feed "on demand".  I am definitely doing that with my next child!  All I can say is Cole didn't sleep through the night until about 8or 9 months so I was extremely sleep deprived.  He would wake 2-3 times a night to eat.  I just wish I had let him sleep initially instead of trying to wake him and force him to eat.  I guess the only benefit I see to having him eat so often was I had tons of milk!

    My main advice is to relax about the "schedule" it will help your mental state and your milk! 

  • The 2-3 hours b/w feedings during the day and 4 hours at night are the maximum amount of time you want to go between feedings, not a schedule you need to stick to. If she is hungry before then, feed her.
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  • imageBabyRN2006:
    The 2-3 hours b/w feedings during the day and 4 hours at night are the maximum amount of time you want to go between feedings, not a schedule you need to stick to. If she is hungry before then, feed her.

    I agree. Don't worry about the clock unless she's gone too long between feedings. The crazy thing about newborns is that for about 2 weeks or so, they are sooo sleepy when they eat that they fall asleep in the middle and then wake hungry again in a short amount of time. It's okay to feed her each time she wants it and that will stop soon. She'll start filling up before she nods off eventually. During the day, it's okay to let her sleep unless she goes past 3-4 hours without food. My kids fed every 2 hours day or night once they got past that sleepy newborn phase. 

    You're doing great!! 

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  • imageBabyRN2006:
    The 2-3 hours b/w feedings during the day and 4 hours at night are the maximum amount of time you want to go between feedings, not a schedule you need to stick to. If she is hungry before then, feed her.

    This.  We feed on demand and I'm pretty sure Grier never went more than 2 hours for the first month.  If she's showing signs of hunger, feed her and don't worry about a schedule. 

    If she's falling asleep after a few minutes, strip her down to her diaper so she wakes up.  If that doesn't work, wipe her back with a wipe or damp wash cloth.  Play with her hands and feet to keep her awake.  If she's jaundiced at all, she will be even more sleepy, but its very important that she eats so she poops and pees to get her bili levels back down!

    If you milk isn't fully in, she's going to want to nurse constantly and that's a good thing.  It tells your body to make more milk. 

    Grier did the latch and relatch thing a lot in the beginning.  All of the experienced mamas here assured me that it was completely normal.  My nips were a mess from it, so make sure you are using lanolin!  The best thing I ever did for mine was the medela shells.  You put them on when you aren't nursing so your nipples get some air and they don't get as sore.  (Ah, the things we talk about when we become moms! lol!)

    You're doing a great job.  Breastfeeding is so hard in the beginning!

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  • Thank you ladies. We ended up taking her in to the ER last night for jaundice so that was part of the problem. I already think you ladies will be more reassuring than the doctors sometimes!
  • I hope that the jaundice gets cleared up very soon! I do totally agree with the other ladies that reassured you that it is NOT necessary (or even advisable) to make newborns wait to eat if they are wanting to nurse. Lactation consultants really cringe at feeding "schedules" for babies since it can be disasterous for your milk supply and problematic for a newborn baby's health. There is also a lot of research now showing that the amount of stimulation you get in the first few weeks of baby's life "teach" your body how much milk to make, so if she is nursing a lot now, it will set you up for a better supply down the road. I know it feels like you are nursing constantly in the beginning, but it is so temporary and is actually a great thing for you AND Ella!  I hope you are all recovered from your ER visit and that Ella is doing well today!
  • I hope that the jaundice gets cleared up very soon! I do totally agree with the other ladies that reassured you that it is NOT necessary (or even advisable) to make newborns wait to eat if they are wanting to nurse. Lactation consultants really cringe at feeding "schedules" for babies since it can be disastrous for your milk supply and problematic for a newborn baby's health. There is also a lot of research now showing that the amount of stimulation you get in the first few weeks of baby's life "teach" your body how much milk to make, so if she is nursing a lot now, it will set you up for a better supply down the road. I know it feels like you are nursing constantly in the beginning, but it is so temporary and is actually a great thing for you AND Ella!  I hope you are all recovered from your ER visit and that Ella is doing well today!
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