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Octo-Mom's Doc Loses License... FINALLY!
Thoughts?
I think it's about freakin' time. He is obviously fairly careless and frivilous about his methods of practice.
http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/octomoms-fertility-doctor-has-license-revoked--3092
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Someone desperate or not in possession of their right mind.
Although I think he's nuts for doing that and probably should lose his license, I think it's 100% her fault and I think she should have every single one of those children taken away from her, permanently.
That's kind of like blaming the lenders for the mortgage/housing crisis. A lot of people do, but I don't. I think people should take responsibility for their own. Educate yourself. Know what you're doing. Take responsibility.
These people are out there to make money-doctors, lenders, etc. If you think they care about your well being, or have your best interest at heart then you're sadly mistaken.
*Steps off soap box*
I know I probably just opened a huge can of worms, but that's how I feel about it.
This! I don't understand who would want to in trust their fertility to this guy!
Actually Summer, I agree with you. She obviously consented to him treating her in that manner, and she can't cite being "oblivious" because that arguement would never stand up in a court. She should have been more responsible herself.
However, I don't think that takes away from the role that the doctor played in this situation. He was aware that what he was doing was against health standards of care, and dangerous to the mother and children. Any doctor violating those two acts alone would lose their license or be reprimanded and fined... regardless if it's a fertility doctor or a heart surgeon. That just violates the code of ethics (among many laws).
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I agree with you on all counts, mostly. Including that she is crazy sauce and it is her fault.
The difference between a doctor and a mortgage loan though, is that he has a moral responsibility to tell crazy sauce people "NO" when they want 6x as many embryo's implanted in them than what is safe for them.
Taking out a loan for more than you can pay,while stupid, doesn't endanger the health or safety of anyone.
Agreed, which is why I said I agree he should lose his license.
But I think the public in general seems to put more scrutiny on him, instead of her. And it gets under my skin like none other.
ETA: Yes, Tiffany I agree they're different. My point was that I hate that the public tends to victimize people when in reality they're the ones who need to take responsibility.
Octomom is in no way a victim of this Doctor.
Maybe I didn't make my point very clear. Sorry.
ITA with this!
I 100% agree with taking responsibility of your own actions. I think that is a huge issue that is going on in todays society. I see it all time in my students.
However, doctors (I don't think) are meant to make money. I think they do as a result of wanting to help. What I mean is, realtors, lenders, and people of that nature are out to make a profit. That's the whole point of their profession. They don't swear on oath to do no harm or anything of that nature. A doctor, on the other hand, does swear an oath and their first respponsibilty is to take care of people.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think both parties play a role in what happened. She never should have gotten those embryos put in her and he should have reported her like he was supposed to. Both are to blame and both did things that I think shouldn't have happened.
EDIT: Sorry about the typos, I was in a rush to finish before the kids finished their exam.
8th year anniversary in the mortgage industry on Friday. Don't even get me started.
Didn't that Kate Gosselin do the same thing to get her 6 kids? I remember watching some of their E! THS, and it talked her about her having fertility treatments as well ?
How come no one went after that doctor? Clearly 6 is also more than the normal 2 that they are supposed to have and who knows how many they put in her initially to have 6 survive...
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Well, the embryos for Kate could have split, which is what could have resulted in the six babies. I've never read that she or her doctor violated anything in that regard. We can't say for sure that her doctor did anything wrong. However, based on the fact that he wasn't reprimanded or disciplined, I would guess that he did not.
However, I think that the issue specifically with Octomom is the fact that she lives on government assistance and continued to be implanted to have more children - besides that it's unhealthy for the children themselves.
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I 'think' and I could be wrong, but I think in Kate's case, they put in x many eggs thinking that due to fertility/latching/whatever issues that hopefully at least one will 'take'. In Kate's case - they all took - or at least six of them. I think in most cases, the woman usually at least has twins. I think they do this because the chances that the egg/sperm/embryo will make it to birth are somewhat low. They put in x many, so if some don't take or some don't make it to birth, they hope at least one will.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they just put 2 in her and they split into 6, so I think Lacey is correct in that they put more than 2 in her. However, DH's cousin had fertility issues and had to do IVF, and they still just put in 2 because that's the "right" thing to do bc there is always a chance that if they put in more than 2, than more than 2 will make it ( and potentially cause health problems). In her case, both made it.
Another friend of mine moved to the UAE bc of ther husband's job, and they did IVF there due to infertility, and her doctor put in 3 embryos and told her if all 3 made it, he would have to remove one for the sake of the health of the others. In her case, only 1 made it.
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Wait..wait..wait...I'm not familiar with the details of the situation. How did she afford IVF if she needs government assistance? Isn't it like really, really expensive???
If my memory serves me right, she used student loans. Which I also believe is illegal. A misuse of educational funds.
Wow, this has taken way too long. I am glad that he will not be able to practice this type of "medical treatment" on other women. I completely agree that the doctor is the one with the ethical obligations to provide the best care under the standards set forth by the governing medical bodies. At the end of the day, no matter how educated you are on your condition and it's treatments, it is the physician's responsibility to educate you appropriately on your options and to perform treatments that are as safe as possible and effective as possible. Bottom line is that this physician was solely responsible for providing appropriate care and he failed to do so.
That being said, I do agree with you Summer that the patient also needs to educate themselves. I work in the medical field so I have experienced many patients who come in and have not taken any time to learn about their condition or treatments. Some physicians are not up to the current speed on what is going on in a particular field (which was not the case with the Octo-Mom's doc...he was doing things that were blatantly WRONG). It is strange to me that patients will feel there is something wrong or feel that the information from their M.D. is inaccurate and then just keep moving forward with treatment/surgery plans and just ignore those thoughts and feelings. Google is NOT the way to educate yourself on medical issues, but you can always get a second opinion or use the MayoClinic or WebMD websites to gain some basic knowledge of your options. Those are just my personal feelings on that issue. I only get one body in this lifetime, so I want to understand my conditions and my options before making any decisions.
I am definitely not saying that every doctor that planted more than 2 eggs should be investigated, but there is a big difference between 2 or 3 versus 6 or 8 ( the cases of Kate and Nadya).I think that the potential health risks/implications should be considered in all cases, and if they are going to investigate a situation where there 8, I don't see it being that much being different than 6 ( inferitlity issues or not, because in either case, it was not only possible but in fact did happen such that all the embyros were viable).
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If I remember correctly, in Kate's case, the doctor's told her they needed to "remove" a few for the health of her and the rest of the babies, and she refused. I can imagine that it would be hard to make that decision.
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Yeah.. even from afar, I was going through each step with her via phonecalls, email, skype, etc. They told her that would be the case if all three made it; but she lost 2 of them ( one at a time in the first week or so of the implantation ), in a very traumatic way and didn't know if she lost of all of them or what, and then she would go in and they would check and tell her how many were still there. Thankfully though that's all behind her, and she is 6 months along now; her little baby girl is due in August, so all the suffering wasn't for nothing.
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Totally butting back in here.
But, if that were the case, we don't know that same thing didn't happen with Octomom also. He may have told her it was best to remove some, and she refused. We don't know the specific facts and details.
She's a selfish, money and fame hungry woman so I really wouldn't put it past her to stop the doctor from doing what was best for the other potential children, and even her own health if he advised her against it.
Butting back out now.