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Comprehensive exit data on prop 8
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1
Blacks overwhelmingly voted for it...very interesting. And sad.
Re: Comprehensive exit data on prop 8
I agree it's largely a generational issue, but why the large AA support of anti-gay marriage?
I assume it's religion, but not all Chrisitians are opposed to gay marraige. What about 'black churches' emphasizes the anti-homosexuality message?
Being gay is really taboo in many black communities, especially for men. There have been features (Oprah?) on guys who go out "on the down low" and have sex with men, but have wives and kids at home and vehmently insist that they're not gay or bi. My godfather was gay and he killed himself in his 30s b/c he had an impossible time reconciling who he loved with what was expected of him. My auntie has lived with her partner for the last 10 yrs and they've had a child together, but the entire family refers to her as my auntie's "roomate." At least they did until they got married this year (which makes me happy that both women would have visitation rights to that lovely little girl should they split up), but the actual nature of the relationship is still being ignored.
The kids in my generation have been a lot more accepting of my youngest sister and her girlfriend. I have hope.
This is very interesting. I don't think that blacks are particularly concerned about gay marriage per se, but instead just happened to be out voting in larger numbers. In other words, this almost seems like a variation on Rove's tactic of putting gay marriage on ballots to get out the conservative vote for people who otherwise did not intend to vote. Obama got out the AA vote and they ended up voting against this measure while they were there.
Well, it wasn't Latinos.
This is a really interesting dynamic though contrasted with the elation of electing our first AA president. I can't really explain it, but it's an odd contrast.
You know, now that you mention it, I see what you're talking about. Having lived in NYC for over 6 years now, 4 of which I spent in the village, it's hard for anything to shock me. I've joked about how the only thing that will get you dirty looks downtown is wearing flip flops when a blizzard is forecasted (I know from experience, lol). But I was actually caught off guard on the subway train yesterday when I was standing over a gay couple made up of two young black men. Black gay men aren't necessarily shocking, but you tend to see them more in mixed race couples. I suppose beacause there are so few of them that they rarely find each other/the pickings are slim within their own race that they'd prefer to date white or latino men.
The incident struck me because I was surprised when they kissed - and I've never been surprised by a couple before! And so I was trying to figure out why I was surprised that they were together, and the only thing I could think of is that it's not all that common for two black men to be in a couple together, even here.
But what is the source of that within the community? Why are black men expected to be tough and masculine?
That, I don't know. But it's not unique to black men. I know many Latinos that hold machismo in men in high regard. It's not really something I understand.
See, I don't think it's as prevalent within the latino community, though. First, generally speaking, if you are latino growing up in what I understand to be a typical latino environment, you will participate in many a neighborhood and/or family party where there is lots of dancing. This is prevalent in AA dominated areas as well, but the dancing is different. Latino men grow up learning how to salsa and cha cha and all of those dances with lots of hip movement. It's sexy, but it is more affinate, and that's accepted. Second, Latinos tend to be Catholic, and homosexuality is not a big issue the Catholic church pushes. So, there probably is some conflict within Latino families regarding it as a conflict within their religion, but not as much as I see ingrained within the black community.
But I still wish I had a better grasp on the why. I feel like I get where the mormons and the fundamentalists are coming from, but I'm not sure why AAs are so opposed to it. And I don't know any personally who are, so it's difficult.
No, I totally agree.