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The Death Penalty
For or against?
Discuss.
Re: The Death Penalty
Torn.
On one hand, I don't necessarily think it is right for anyone to take a life, regardless of the circumstances. On the other, I agree with ragazza that harsher penalties for crimes can help keep said crimes from happening. I don't think that people willing to commit murder are necessarily afraid of spending their lives in jail. But I think most people are at least a little apprehensive when it comes to their own life ending.
But what do I know.
Agreed. I don't think DP is necessarily worth it for every death-related crime. However, I agree with Ragazza. People guilty of murder who are sentenced to life in prison (LIP) should receive the DP. I'd rather my tax dollars go to exterminating a worthless person than supporting one for the rest of his/her life.
And I have these opinions with a childhood family friend sitting in jail for murder. He's been serving time since I was in middle school.
Agree w/ this.
but I hope I'm never on a jury for a DP case.
I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this issue.
Here are some of the things that float through my head when I think if I'm for or against:
- I believe the death penalty costs more money than keeping someone in prison for life.
- I would think spending life in prison, perhaps in confinement, would be a harsher punishment than death.
- Violence breeds violence.
- Someone who commits a crime that is worthy of the DP, normally is crazy anyways and isn't afraid of the punishment.
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Oh yeah, and do you remember the killing of 6 people with baseball bats in Deltona. I think it was in 2004? It was over an xbox. Those people couldn't be identified by dental records because they teeth were shattered. Very gruesome. They even beat the dog to death.
Those people deserve to die IMO.
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Yes. I remember that. It was very close to my Xbfs house.. Did they get the DP for that?
That was an effed up crime.
I'm for it in theory but against it the way it is handled right now.
The DP can be an effective deterrent only if it is swift, certain and severe. The way it is now, with years and years of appeals, it is none of those things. Studies have shown that as it is used now, the DP shows NO deterrent value (comparing states with DP against those without show no difference in violent crime, that sort of thing).
It is also extremely costly to the taxpayers - way more so than life in prison. Think of all the appeals DP convicts are guaranteed - those cases automatically go into appeal, and appeals drag out for years. The state pays for that. It sounds pretty counterintuitive, but it is far less expensive to the state to keep someone in prison for the rest of their lives.
Also, I believe that life in prison is a far more severe sentence. To have to live among all the other convicts, wondering each day if that will be the day you die in some brawl or riot or get jumped in the shower or what have you? Mental torture, in my book.
Of course, there are cases that make me so ill I just can't imagine living in the same world as these people. In those cases I am for the DP, despite all the negatives I mentioned above.
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Yeah, two of the four defendants got the death penalty. One of the ones who was sentenced to death had just graduated HS and was 18. He was a football star. Now he is on death row.
Sad.
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For it, Murders and crimes against children =DP for me
For the most part I am for it. Like PPs have said, not every crime is fitting of a DP, but there are a lot more cases that it should be used for. It sickens me every time I see stories about these serious repeat offenders that keep getting out and doing the same things over and over again and hurt even more people.
I think if you're against it (as DH is) then you have to argue for a total overhaul of our prison system. Some of these places have better amentities and privileges than people outside of prison have. They get three meals a day, a bed, exercise equiptment, cable TV, games, books, can even get degrees while incarcerated for crying out loud. A lot more than homeless people and struggling families get. If someone is doing life in prison it shouldn't be lived out like that. It should be the bare minimum.
But again, just my opinion
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I would agree that there is no reason for someone with life in prison to get a degree.. Is that really true? I know they can get ged/degree, but does that also apply for LIP?
I think some things like jobs/degrees are necessary if they are going to be put back out in the world.. Granted, a felon who spent 11yrs in jail probably isn't going to get a job at a bank, so the degree may be useless... but I think the continuing education is okay. I feel that in order to be a productive citizen once put back into society they need something replicating society once they are back out in the world.
I pretty much agree with MrsMEW, and appreciate her always insightful commentary. But I do admit that when I see exceptionally gruesome crimes (i.e. Jeffrey Dahmer) I can't help but think that person deserves to die.
And I also agree with Briezy that the prison system needs a major overhaul (but so does healthcare, schools, the list sadly goes on).