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all jurors decline media interview...
they will contact the media if they're interested in speaking. their names aren't being released, they cannot be contacted. they must approach the media if they desire.
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Re: all jurors decline media interview...
Me either. I would try and quietly go back to my normal life and probably seek a little therapy for my involvement in this whole mess. I would imagine that it's very hard to be one of those jurors right now.
Sadly, you're probably right. The longer they keep quiet, the bigger that pay day will probably be.
IDK, but I hope no one watches. Casey is going to have to pimp her ass out for a living (media-wise, not literally like she was before while she stored Caylee in the trunk) and I hope no one supports her ass making a dime through TV shows, royalties from made-for-TV movies, books, etc.
Matt Lauer interviewed one of the alternates this morning. It was actually a very calm, civil interview. The juror was very matter of fact. Of course, I probably wouldn't do an interview with Nancy Grace if I was them.
I don't know but Vivid already extended an offer out to her for a "movie".
I saw this, too. He made very valid points. They didn't provide a motive because he said the grandparents often watched Caylee when Casey went out partying with no problem. He also said that the lying had been going on for years, so it wasn't a new character trait to Casey covering up the murder, necessarily. He also insinuated that the family is quite fuucked up, so the whole case seemed like a bit of a cluster.
Lauer did ask the prosecutor if it was immoral for Baez to bring up the rape/molestation by George with no evidence to try to poision the jury's minds and create confusion, which I can see how that's a valid point.
In the end, they said that the fact that the body was found so long after the fact it was just too hard to determine cause of death and motive.
The child abuse charges still irk me though...
I agree with everything you said, LB. I was just reiterating what the juror said regarding the evidence and motive not being 100% clear and obvious, which I assume is reasonable doubt. I guess when you sit there and go by the judge's rule book in deliberation, so many of the seemingly obvious questions don't come up because the rule book is black and white, not situational, and this case was so off the wall.
But that's the problem, the rule book is NOT black and white, it IS situational. The term "reasonable doubt" means that reasonable doubt has to be there in the jury's mind. Obviously, they felt it was, but many experts and analysts are talking about how hard it is to convey the idea of "reasonable doubt" to a jury. There are shades of gray there, reason to doubt is not reasonable doubt.
I thought if they had reasonable doubt re: CA's guilt they should say she's not guilty. Can you have reasonable doubt re: defense and vote guilty?
I know nothing about law... but I keep hearing the defense could prove reasonable doubt and that's what got her off.
The definition of "reasonable doubt" is what's gray here and in every other case. The jury feels they had reasonable doubt, yes, that's why the came back with not guilty. Many experts (and I) believe the prosecution proved their case BEYOND a reasonable doubt, at least for manslaughter. It's a matter of opinion. And it's a matter of the elusiveness of a concrete concept of what reasonable doubt really means when it comes to the law.
Okay, that all makes sense to me. I think for counts 2-7 they proved beyond a reasonable doubt no question. But I can see how the jury (though VERY far reaching) could say 1st degree was filled with reasonable doubt.
Does the law book give a definition for reasonable? Why didn't the jury then look at similar cases and see what was reasonable to those juries? Could they? I think the 10 hour deliberation was a cop out of all of them wanting to go home and not have to really think this through, and not wanting to take the tiny chance they were convicting her with something she didn't do (though i think they were all probably 99% sure she did).
I'm pretty disappointed in the jury. I'd really like to see how they came to their decision, but now they're all shut up.
My opinion is the same as yours on the bolded.
Yes, there is a legal definition for reasonable doubt. But again "reasonable" is up to interpretation in the jury's mind. There is no, if x% it's reasonable doubt if y% it's only doubt.
No, the jury can only look at the evidence presented in court. They can't consult anyone or anything on the outside, they can't conduct their own experiments, they can only go through the court transcripts and the case evidence they have access to. They did not have access to the canned air of the smell that was in the car, but I believe they had access to all other evidence if requested.