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No Kids Allowed
I've been seeing these same articles pop up over the summer. Here's the newest one from Yahoo.
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Re: No Kids Allowed
Agreed miss.
The opposition's main argument is that these kid-free places are infringing on the children's rights. While I will acknowledge that children do have some rights, they are mostly in place for the child's protection and well-being. I'm unclear of whether children can be discriminated against in the same way minorities (example) can be. I believe the categories that are legally protected against discrimination are race, sexual orientation, color, gender, and national origin. 'Children' or 'Not of Age' don't fall under any of those. While the parent (adult) has the right to be at a particular restaurant, I'm not sure the same can be said for someone not of age.
And even that argument is not solid. These restaurants are privately owned, so in general, the owners are able to decide who they will serve. Of course, if an owner decides to not serve someone based on sexual orientation, they could be setting themselves up for a lawsuit, but I digress.
I think this should be a wake up call for parents. There are too many parents that are lax in their disciplining and are raising brats who haven't learned manners or self-control (Ie: no screaming in a movie theatre). I personally don't believe that women deserve a gold star for spitting out another human. In other words, why does one portion of the population (parents) get to decide that they are allowed to subject everyone else to their kid? One comment left on the article was from a mother who said 'I have a right to go out with my family. If you don't like it, stay home!' Why does she feel that she has the right to be out with her family more than those who want to be out without children? She doesn't.
And besides, if someone disagrees with the ban, why would they want their money going to a restaurant that has different ideologies? Why not gladly give money to a restaurant that embraces kids?
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Interesting topic.... I have mixed feelings. I totally agree with louieblue on why would you want to support a restaurant that does not embrace their children.
I kinda feel there could be a happy medium... Like only well behaved children, and spell out what that means and also spell out that if a child does not meet those guidelines then they will be asked to leave.
We would like to be able to take our child when we go out, but in no way will we stay if our child is interrupting others experience.
Also parents need to think, there is no reason to take a child to a fancy restaurant that is not appropriate, if the child is old enough to be disruptive then hire a babysitter when you want to go to adult restaurants. Or better yet teach your child to behave and remove them the instant they don't.
I grew up going to very nice places and never once did I act inappropriately or disturb any other restaurant patron. That would not have been accepted by my parents.
But I think it all comes down to if I am not welcomed in a resturant there are many others that I can choose and probably would. I do not support people or causes I do not agree with.
Great topic to discuss louieblue!
Storm, I was recently in Gatlinburg TN and a cute little shop there had a sign on the door that read 'Unruly children will be given a new puppy and espresso'. I thought it was so funny. A nice way to say 'Antics will not be tolerated'. Haha!
I also define children and babies differently. While there are some parents at my church that never take their babies out of the sanctuary even when its screaming its little head off (which is unnerving and rude) I find most parents of babies are fine and understand that the baby is being noisy and leaves until the baby is calmed down.
Kids though, espeically those that know better but still act unruly, are a problem. It says everything you need to know about the parents.
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Love, Love, Love that sign! I have seen it a few times and think it is great!
I never understand how someone can sit while their baby is crying, you are totally right no one asked for your child to be there. Keep it quiet or leave LOL.
Unruly children are totally a direct reflection of the parent. That is why husband and I swore that we will never have an unruly child
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Children learn so quickly what they can get away with. Not that children are looking to be trouble makers.
I'm not for or against spanking, though I was spanked -- just twice in my life -- apparently I had done something pretty appalling. Anyway, I believe that whatever way a parent disciplines has to be consistent. Growing up, all Mom had to do was give us a look and we'd know to stop or shut up.
Parents who haphazardly say 'stop that' but don't actually follow up that the child has stopped are the reason why their kids are unruly. Kids will sometimes have to disciplined. Parents are parents. They aren't the child's buddy.
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I agree that there are plenty of parents out there who just don't make the effort to teach their children how to behave in public (and don't bother disciplining them when they should).
On the other hand - and I only glanced at the other replies so sorry if this has already been mentioned - lost of people out there are parenting special needs kids, and the general public can't always tell when this circumstance exists. And that creates an entirely different situation for those parents, as well as the kids (someone out there has already explained this much more eloquently than I ever could. Here: http://www.bandbacktogether.com/dear-world-special-needs-children )
So... something to take into consideration.
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When we were young my parents took us out on the odd occasion, we lived in the country so it was the Odd occasion. We were always well behaved, and I can't even think what my parents would have done if we hadn't been, because we just never were. I have no idea how they trained us so well!
I think many parents now take a too soft handed approach to child rearing, and that is why so many kids are running and screaming all over the place. For example, my boss sometimes brings her 6 year old into the office, and she just runs riot. When she steals someone's chair or draws on our white office doors our boss just says "she can do what she wants as long as it keeps her quiet".
As someone who has a little tolerance for noisy children, I am all for the child-free airline classes, restaurants and movies and I would certainly be more inclined to book a hotel that was child free. I think people should be able to have that choice.
It is disappointing that some people are intolerant of special needs children, and I have seen that first hand whilst spending time with a little friend of mine. Once they are of the general age to attend child free events etc, then they certainly shouldn't be excluded.
I am not sure what the American Constitution/Human Rights Codes state, but the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 15(1) does include age as a basis to not be discriminated. There are cases that deal with such claims of discrimination, however, none in this type of context (to the best of my knowledge right now) and have set precedents. Should be interested to see how this all unfolds!
You're right singing! I'm not sure exactly, but yes, I'm believe (now that you say it) that age is another category of discrimination. But I also think it is mostly used when it comes to employment, such as a firm not wanting to hire a person because they are 65 or older in favor of a young 20-something. Again, I've always been under the impression that because children have limited rights until they reach 18. Of course, as you said, I'm not aware of any cases dealing with discrimination of children because of age.
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