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Enforcing rules when the kids aren't yours

We have an 8 year old niece.  She is a sweet kid but has never been disciplined by her father (my BIL is a single dad - mom isn't in the picture).  They were at our house the other day and she had a tantrum - throwing things into our walls, kicking, screaming, bad language, etc.  She isn't our kid, and BIL tends to just brush it off.  However, in our home there are rules that we want to enforce.  How can we do that without the support of her dad?  We can get over the bad words, but when she throws the TV remote at the wall and dents it, or kicks me/my H, it is crossing a line and we want her to knock it off.  She's too old to be acting out like that, but has never been told 'no' or punished for misbehaving.

Advice?  TIA!

OH - they live in the NE and we're in the NW, so we only see them a few times a year.  This has been going on since she was a baby.

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Re: Enforcing rules when the kids aren't yours

  • If she won't follow the rules, then the two of them, her AND her dad, have to leave.
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  • IMO, when the behavior directly impacts you, then you have the right to step in.  She's throwing *your* remote and damaging *your* wall.  She's hitting/kicking/etc. **you*.  You are absolutely within your rights to politely and firmly tell her that those things are not allowed in your home.  If that doesn't stop her, and/or dad gives you a hard time about it, then they'll have to leave.
    I'm the parent of two children and believe me if my girls mistreated someone else's person or property - in their own home, no less - I would expect the person to constructively discipline my child.  She's old enough at 8 (DD #2 will be that age in just a few weeks), that expecting her to respect others and their property is not out of line no matter what her father does or does not do. 
  • imageReturnOfKuus:
    If she won't follow the rules, then the two of them, her AND her dad, have to leave.

    Spot on.

    He'd better start nipping this in the bud. I will bet she is a behavior problem in school also.

    He needs to be a dad and rulemaker, not a laizzez faire bystander who lets his daughter do as she wishes. She needs to learn that she is to listen to ALL ADULTS, and that means all adults exclusive of her dad.

  • I have no qualms telling a child what they can and can't do in my home. I've found that often times, even if kids won't listen to their own parents, they will listen to other adults who are firm.
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  • imageDragonfly08:
    IMO, when the behavior directly impacts you, then you have the right to step in.  She's throwing *your* remote and damaging *your* wall.  She's hitting/kicking/etc. **you*.  You are absolutely within your rights to politely and firmly tell her that those things are not allowed in your home.  If that doesn't stop her, and/or dad gives you a hard time about it, then they'll have to leave.
    This, completely. You need to firmly tell her that her behavior is not acceptable in your home, and if she won't stop then she needs to leave.
  • "We don't hit/kick/throw things in this house, so if you want to stay then you have to stop it."

    If she won't stop:

    "BIL, you're going to need to take her home if she's going to act like this." Then get up, open the door and show them out. 

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  • imageEastCoastBride:
    I have no qualms telling a child what they can and can't do in my home. I've found that often times, even if kids won't listen to their own parents, they will listen to other adults who are firm.

    Ditto this and what Kuus said.

     

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  • imageEastCoastBride:
    I have no qualms telling a child what they can and can't do in my home. I've found that often times, even if kids won't listen to their own parents, they will listen to other adults who are firm.

    This, absolutely. Also, next time they stay in a hotel and take little miss sunshine with them wherever they go.

  • I agree with the others that in your house or if something impacts you, you need to speak up.

    However, I would also say - tantrums are often not a discipline problem - they are a sign that something is wrong.  In toddlers, tantrums are most often a sign that the child is overloaded (tired, hungry, frustrated), not that they are "bad."  An 8 year old shouldn't be having a tantrum like that, and even if she were a spoiled brat (which you say she is not), that is not normal behavior for a child her age.  What is going on in her life that she is acting like that?  Does she have problems communicating her feelings?   I think she needs to be checked out by a doctor / counselor.  Maybe the fact that there is no mother in the picture bothers her more than anyone wants to admit.

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  • You can be SURE I'd say something if a kid acted like that in my home and I wouldnt care whose child it was!!!

    My house, my rules. 

    There is no way I'd put up with a child damaging my things just because their parent isnt 'PARENTING".

  • imagesweetpup08:

    imageEastCoastBride:
    I have no qualms telling a child what they can and can't do in my home. I've found that often times, even if kids won't listen to their own parents, they will listen to other adults who are firm.

    This, absolutely. Also, next time they stay in a hotel and take little miss sunshine with them wherever they go.

    I also agree with this!

  • imageWahoo:

    I agree with the others that in your house or if something impacts you, you need to speak up.

    However, I would also say - tantrums are often not a discipline problem - they are a sign that something is wrong.  In toddlers, tantrums are most often a sign that the child is overloaded (tired, hungry, frustrated), not that they are "bad."  An 8 year old shouldn't be having a tantrum like that, and even if she were a spoiled brat (which you say she is not), that is not normal behavior for a child her age.  What is going on in her life that she is acting like that?  Does she have problems communicating her feelings?   I think she needs to be checked out by a doctor / counselor.  Maybe the fact that there is no mother in the picture bothers her more than anyone wants to admit.

    Oh yeah, there are definitely emotional issues.  I don't know if anyone else recognizes it and I feel like it isn't my place to step in.  I'm the inlaw.  But yeah... I know it isn't normal.  The thing is, she is good at school.  She acts out when she is with family, but is really good at school and when separated from her dad.  It's a tough situation.  I get along well with my in laws, but not enough to start speaking out about parenting/discipline, especially since I don't have my own kids and can't speak from experience.  It's a touchy subject.

    IUI - BFP! Baby boy born still - August 2012
    IVF - BFP - miscarriage June 2013
    FET - BFN
    FET - BFN
    Switched clinics
    IVF with PGD - three embryos created, all healthy - July 2014
    FET - transferred two embryos (boy and girl) - Nov 2014 - BFP!
    Baby Boy born July 2015

  • When people bring their children to my house they know I will treat their children the same as I treat mine. That means they will also be disciplined if they chose not to follow my house rules. My friends and family have agreed with this and they do the same when my children are at their house. We all have respect for each other and the values we want to teach our children. If BIL won't discipline his DD then you should tell him they can not come over to your house because he allows her to disrespect you and your home. I would also let him know that if he works towards changing that situation you would love to have them over.
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  • I am a teacher, so I know what it is like to tell other people's children how to act in my classroom. in reality a classroom is not much different than your home. You have expectations that need to be followed in your own personal space, and you have every right to enforce those expectations. Tantrums can be a little tricky, many of the times they act up, they are doing it for attention. Clearly this little girl has succeeded in letting the tantrum thing work to getting her way, so if I was you I might just ignore her until she starts to directly affect you, then it is time to remove her from the situation such as "time out". Also, talking to the dad would probably be in your best interest. It sounds like he doesn't care much for your expectations either so it is equally his problem...
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