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60k a year for new teachers??

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/starting-salary-teacher-60-000-131728091.html

Let's discuss...

I personally feel teachers should be paid much more than they do. While I think it will take sacrafices where budgets are concerned (sorry superintendent of schools, you don't need 500k), I think it will greatly impact our children's future and better their education.

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Re: 60k a year for new teachers??

  • I'll play, and I'm sure this is inflatory.

    I'm all for paying teachers (and police/firemen/etc while we're at it) higher wages, but their small scale studies are bogus. What did they think tripling the salary of existing teachers at one school was going to do exactly? The point was to recruit new high-achieving teachers with higher salaries to see if it made a difference, not for pay to be the only variable that changes since they cite low pay as a reason for the current situation of attracting leas motivated/intelligent/driven teachers (and that insinuation is insulting to teachers, no?).

    Basically I read that to say if teaching paid more, then they would have had a shot at getting me to be a teacher instead of an engineer and since I'm smarter than all of you (as an engineer, naturally), then that would fix everything. While I would have considered teaching if it paid more, I don't think that the natural corollary is that most smart people choose higher paying careers (thus implying people who choose to be teachers are not the smart people).

  • As that's more than most new professors earn right out of the gate (which I also find ridiculous,) I'm envious!

    Would it be enough to entice most college professors I know to become primary or secondary school teachers? Not a chance. I wouldn't even do it for a 50% raise in pay. Working from home a good chunk of the time, setting my own schedule, doing research, and not ever having to deal with parents is worth a lot of money to me! :)

  • What is higher pay going to do? It will only do something if you assume that the current issues are because current teachers are lacking in skills and ability and you need to attract better people to the teaching field. If you increase the starting salary for teachers, attract more people, and more graduate, then you will likely end up with a lot of unemployed teachers. Also, how can you gauge which graduate will be the better teachers -- grades aren't everything. 

    I wonder what the 'drop out rate' is for engineers and teachers? I remember some people in my intro to engineering course want to do engineering for the money and ended up switching majors when they started failing engineering courses. I don't have any experience with teachers. Engineers are paid what they are paid because there are not as many engineers.

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    What is higher pay going to do? It will only do something if you assume that the current issues are because current teachers are lacking in skills and ability and you need to attract better people to the teaching field. If you increase the starting salary for teachers, attract more people, and more graduate, then you will likely end up with a lot of unemployed teachers. Also, how can you gauge which graduate will be the better teachers -- grades aren't everything. 

    I wonder what the 'drop out rate' is for engineers and teachers? I remember some people in my intro to engineering course want to do engineering for the money and ended up switching majors when they started failing engineering courses. I don't have any experience with teachers. Engineers are paid what they are paid because there are not as many engineers.

    Bingo, there's actually a pretty big shortage of engineering graduates.  If teachers made the same starting pay as engineers, the number of engineering graduates would drop for sure because it is a more demanding/lengthy degree program.

  • I think teachers should be paid more. Without them, there would be no engineers. I have many issues with the article itself but I would never say that teachers didn't deserve more.
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  • It would be nice if I were paid more, given that I have a higher degree and am very qualified to do what I do. I realize we get "summers off" but still, at least where I work, it's difficult to live comfortably on the salary sometimes. It's not poverty level, of course, but for someone who got a 4 year degree or even higher, it's kind of a slap in the face.

    I realize there are other professions that are paid less out the gate. I also don't think that I would work harder for more money; I would just feel more reasonably financially compensated for the work I already do, since I know if I were doing what I do now at another, larger school, I'd be getting a much larger stipend. It's nice, but not necessary to make me work harder.

    The dropout rate for new band directors is 50% after the first year, I think. It used to be that in the mid-2000s.  

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  • imageWendyToo:
    I'll play, and I'm sure this is inflatory.

    Basically I read that to say if teaching paid more, then they would have had a shot at getting me to be a teacher instead of an engineer and since I'm smarter than all of you (as an engineer, naturally), then that would fix everything. While I would have considered teaching if it paid more, I don't think that the natural corollary is that most smart people choose higher paying careers (thus implying people who choose to be teachers are not the smart people).

    I agree with this. I felt like the article came across as a little insulting to those that are currently teachers. 

     

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    imageWendyToo:
    I'll play, and I'm sure this is inflatory.

    Basically I read that to say if teaching paid more, then they would have had a shot at getting me to be a teacher instead of an engineer and since I'm smarter than all of you (as an engineer, naturally), then that would fix everything. While I would have considered teaching if it paid more, I don't think that the natural corollary is that most smart people choose higher paying careers (thus implying people who choose to be teachers are not the smart people).

    I agree with this. I felt like the article came across as a little insulting to those that are currently teachers. 

     

    This is how I it came across to me as well.  
  • i don't know many people who wouldn't want to be paid more or think they should be paid more.
  • imageOUKap:
    i don't know many people who wouldn't want to be paid more or think they should be paid more.

    Exactly. I have about 100 reasons why I am completely underpaid.  

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    imageOUKap:
    i don't know many people who wouldn't want to be paid more or think they should be paid more.

    Exactly. I have about 100 reasons why I am completely underpaid.  

    Given. But this article directly addresses teachers and I don't think anyone would argue that a profession such as this shouldn't get more. Period. 

    This is a notoriously underpaid career and to be honest, one of utmost importance. It is rather sad that those that are geared with teaching the future, our future, are still one of the lowest paid. 

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