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Topic #2 to discuss

1. Should the government have the power to detain people identified as having dangerous personality disorders (uncontrolled by meds or other means)?

2. Would you accept additional tax burdens to contain these people to a facility?

Re: Topic #2 to discuss

  • I need more information.  Has this person committed a crime?  Are they a threat to others....a serious threat?  Is there a history of treatment and/or hospitalization?  Have all other avenues been exhausted? 

    My first reaction is this has makings of internment camps written all over it.

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  • Ditto K's questions.

    Also Tiff, though I don't know the nitty-gritty specifics, they already DO.  My husband works at such a facility.

  • imagetiff-n-nick:

    1. Should the government have the power to detain people identified as having dangerous personality disorders (uncontrolled by meds or other means)?

    --Yes, in some situations. I keep thinking about the boy who was mentally ill and kept saying he was going to kill his mom - she tried and tried to get him help, get him out of the house, get him away from the family, but she was blown off because he was a juvenile and there is no place for him to go. Then he killed his brother and tried to kill her.

    2. Would you accept additional tax burdens to contain these people to a facility?

    --yes, but hopefully not a lot???

  • imagecracky!:

    Ditto K's questions.

    Also Tiff, though I don't know the nitty-gritty specifics, they already DO.  My husband works at such a facility.

    long term? I'm talking more like a giant facility/jail sort of place, and less psych unit/group home place.

  • imagekms34:

    I need more information.  Has this person committed a crime?  Are they a threat to others....a serious threat?  Is there a history of treatment and/or hospitalization?  Have all other avenues been exhausted? 

    My first reaction is this has makings of internment camps written all over it.

    Well, what would be the acceptable parameters for it? If I am running around telling everyone I am going to light their faces on fire - and I have a lighter? What if Evan was telling you that he was going to kill you and the whole family? What if there is a history of treatment with no results?

  • While I'm all for ensuring public safety, I don't like the idea of someone being locked up in a jail cell, without treatment, etc.  We have enough of that as it is.  I don't believe everyone can be or is willing to be rehabilitated but they deserve a chance. 

    In the case of the kid who wanted to kill his mom, the state should have absolutely stepped in.  Did she contact the police, the state, HHS? 

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  • imagetiff-n-nick:
    imagecracky!:

    Ditto K's questions.

    Also Tiff, though I don't know the nitty-gritty specifics, they already DO.  My husband works at such a facility.

    long term? I'm talking more like a giant facility/jail sort of place, and less psych unit/group home place.

    Well, I think any facility's (jail included) goal should be rehabilitation, first and foremost, and that is also the goal of where my H works; they make "discharge plans" on each resident's first day there - even if they know they'll be there forever.  There is a huge varying degree of MR/psych issues at this facility, but most recently, he worked with those who walked the line between "mental patient" and "criminal."  Many are there instead of prison, actually. Also, what good would it be to lock 'em up & throw away the key?  Wouldn't you rather the goal of these peeps BE rehab? 

    To answer your question, some will leave (though many come back), some will stay forever. 

  • imagekms34:

    While I'm all for ensuring public safety, I don't like the idea of someone being locked up in a jail cell, without treatment, etc.  We have enough of that as it is.  I don't believe everyone can be or is willing to be rehabilitated but they deserve a chance. 

    In the case of the kid who wanted to kill his mom, the state should have absolutely stepped in.  Did she contact the police, the state, HHS? 

    yep - there was a tv interview about it, and I think she was trying to sue the state because of it. If someone is seriously cuckoo, in my experience, police can only put you on a 72 hour psych hold in the hospital. All the social workers kept telling her that they couldnt do anything else for him - he was seeing therapists, psychs, ect.....I'll see if I can find it on the interwebz.....
  • 1.  Not if they have not done anything

    2.  Yes if they did something and there was a definite risk of harm  

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