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Baby Lisa
Have you gals been following this story? It baffles me that there are no leads that have been released to the media. It also baffles me that it took the parents nearly 2 weeks to hire an attorney.
Re: Baby Lisa
I dont' know if the parents necessarily did it, but they know something because it just isn't adding up.
I'm kind of torn on the whole drinking thing. I'm sure there are a lot of parents that drink while their kids are in bed. Or even hire a babysitter so they can go out with some friends. I'm not saying it is ok to come home puking and pass out, but it seems like the media are trying to say that parents should never have a drink while they have kids.
The whole thing is very strange and the fact that they don't even have a suspect is very unusual. By this time, they typically know if the parents are even likely a suspect or not and they haven't even determined that. Poor baby. Makes me sick.
Yesterday we got missing child ID's from preschool and it made me sick to think of K going missing and the picture on that ID card would be the one used to try and find her. Makes me want to wrap both kids in a tight bubble and never let them out of the house (and make sure all windows and doors are deadbolted).
I missed that part of the story. Are they saying the mom got drunk and passed out and that's why she didn't hear anything?
There was something on the news that the kids heard something that night.... she won't let the police talk to the kids again.
Her story initially was 10:30 was the last time she saw her and now it is 6:30. What were the other children doing while mom was passed out at 6:30? I read she had 10 glasses of wine between the time she passed out and the time she was at the store around 5ish. Where did the brother go after this time?
Why isn't CPS in this mess with the other two kids?
I believe it was yesterday that the mom came forward admitting that she had been drunk and possibly drunk enough to black out and not hear anything. Oh, and that she last saw the baby around 630pm instead of 1030 pm.
I think she is effing crazy. I also think she did something to that baby and the father is helping her cover it up. Nothing adds up. Who keeps something like this quiet when you kid has been missing for 2 weeks? Not to mention who gets wasted drunk when they are responsible for 3 kids including a sick infant?
I'm so torn on this story. On one hand I don't think the parents were directly involved but mom was negligent in the VERY least.
Here's the story I read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/baby-lisa-irwins-parents-joe-tacopina_n_1016594.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk3%7C105104
I will never understand drinking to the point of passing out when your THREE kids are asleep and there isn't another adult home. That's just plain irresponsible. A glass or two of wine...hell yes. 5-10 glasses....ridiculous. I'm not even thinking about what if you pass out and your baby gets kidnapped, ffs! What happens if one wakes up really sick or injures themselves and needs to go to the ER? I'm judging her (and all parents who do this) very heavily.
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How old was the baby? Even if the baby went to bed at 630 - which seems early to me. Wouldn't she still need a feeding at some point or at least wake up? Or was the baby at an age that she could sleep through the night.
Many babies sleep through the night at that point. BUT, tell me you put a sick baby to bed at 630 and never checked on her or walked past her room?
I'm with Kendra. I'm of the philosophy of what happens if you need to get to the ER or something--you can't be drinking to the point where you couldn't react (or drive) in a situation like that as the only parent home, that's irresponsible.
The dad kinda freaks me out a bit. He just seems so stoic about the whole thing. It might be his way of processing it, who knows, but it sort of rubs me the wrong way. I think his alibi checks out, but I do wonder if he knows what happened and is covering.
But yes, her drinking to the point of black out drunk w/ 2 young kids and an infant in the house, on her DH's FIRST overnight shift? Seems a little suspect, and just plain stupid.
And, I read that she won't let the kids speak. Was it an accident w/ one of the kids that she is covering up? Do they know something?
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Alissa Jean
9.10.2004
I wondered that too.... maybe one of the kids tried to pick her up out of the crib and dropped her?
The dads non eye contact (always looking down) and his whole body language rubs me odd.
My new thoughts:
Mom has a drinking problem. Dad knows it and is an enabler. Dad comes home, baby is dead because of accident, mom is passed out. Dad covers it up because wants to keep his other children. The water works from mom not knowing where her baby is seems sincere. Dads non verbals concern me and have from day one. Have they looked in the ceiling of this house or the attic? What about a chimney? (probably would be a smell though or the dogs would have caught it)
What I pray happened: cover up for money and baby is with family member. OR baby is with another family member who stole the baby because thinks child is not being taken care of...
I'm with all of you. Something doesn't add up. To have NO leads this far in....I am thinking there is more going on and not being released to the media.
I agree on the drinking issues all of you are raising. A glass of wine with my DH after kiddo is in bed, yes. I box of wine after 3 kids are in bed and no other adult is in the house, not okay. As a confession, I have been beyond my limit twice since DS was born - one time when we were OOT for a football game with friends and my parents stayed with DS for the weekend, and one time when DH & I went to BIL & SIL's bach/bachelorette party, again my parents stayed overnight with DS. I would never put myself in a position where I couldn't properly care for my child due to alcohol. Also, I check on my DS multiple times after he goes to bed, even when he's not sick and esp. when he is sick (admittedly though, I have some major paranoia problems).
I pray the baby is okay. I keep looking at pictures of DS when he was 10-11 months old and think about how scared that baby must be if she is with someone she doesn't know, b/c DS definitely knew us and his family members by then and definitely had stranger anxiety by that age.
And just my public service for the day - if this ever happens to you or a family member, hire an attorney immediately and have them there to represent you and guide you during interrogations. Even if you are innocent. B/c you have rights and they need to be protected.
You are probably right. I read somewhere today that perhaps her drinking story is coming out now as her way of creating a defense.
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Alissa Jean
9.10.2004
I would guess it came up because she was on video buying a box of wine that afternoon as well. Not that that alone makes her guilty. I am guilty of drinking while I am home with the kids. I will often have a glass of wine while I make dinner or something, but not a whole box and definitely not enough to make me drunk.
Was she passed out drunk? or what. I've heard differnt story's. Drunk enough to know she couldn't drive if she had too, is what I heard.
I guess I took it as she didn't necessarily pass out from being drunk, but that she slept pretty hard because she had been drinking, and so she might not have heard someone come in.
The boys are like 8 & 5 and they said they heard 'something' but they couldn't tell the police if they heard something that woke them up in the middle of the night? or if they heard something while they were still awake in their rooms. I don't think they were put in bed at 6:30, but who knows.
All I know is they hired the lawyer that tried to get that Van der Sloot kid off on killing Natalie Holloway.
I completely agree.
She said in her Today Show interview yesterday that she drank "enough to get drunk." I'm going to go ahead and say that I fully judge ANY parent who gets wasted, in their own home, with three sleeping children. It's gross. Get a life.
I dont trust her, she's shady.
THIS!
It's amazing the crap that comes out of this woman's mouth! Admitting the police told her she failed the lie detector, now this.. insane!
Also, I saw on the news yesterday that she was drinking with a neighbor, who also had her 4 year old over there and was watchinga movie with the two boys. The baby was supposedly asleep.
I agree. A few drinks is fine but I don't even allow that in my house--one person has to be sober in case god forbid, something happened that a kid woke up needing medical attention etc. Luckily, I barely drink so this is never a discussion.