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Speaking of Immigration

Here's a head-desk moment for you - have you all heard about the immigration case in the UK going around the news right now?

I heard about it years ago when I first started in the industry - I want to buy this guy's lawyer a serious drink.

He could not be deported, and was instead granted permanent residency, because his cat was British.

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  • Well cool.  We adopted a dog in May. 

    Maybe that will make up for the fact we have no social life?

     

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  • Uh...wut?  

    I'm going to need a link.

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  • No?! That guy's lawyer deserves a lifetime supply of good bubbly for that one!

  • Haha... I have a British puppy. 

    Who is this immigration attorney??  

      

  • A Bolivian student overstayed his visa in the UK, for like, a year. No intention of renewing or living here legally. He got caught by the police shoplifting at Debenhams on Oxford Street (Central London) and at that point his immigration status came to light ( police can do instant checks ). He was detained and due to be deported, but he appealed against the deportation.

    At his hearing, the judge ruled that he couldn't be deported to Boliva, because he and his British girlfriend had bought / adopted a cat. The cat was British, and therefore the cat could not be deported. He, as a parent / owner of the British cat, could not be deported because he had a right of access to the CAT.

    The judge then went on to say in her determination that the deportation of the cat to an unknown country would be a disproportionate consequence to the CAT, thus the man can stay.

    He was given indefinite leave to remain. 

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  • imageTofumonkey:

    Here's a head-desk moment for you - have you all heard about the immigration case in the UK going around the news right now?

    I heard about it years ago when I first started in the industry - I want to buy this guy's lawyer a serious drink.

    He could not be deported, and was instead granted permanent residency, because his cat was British.

    Seriously? I think we definitely need a link!

     

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  • The recent news articles leave a lot out - I remember the case when it happened, and the actual judge's determination was circling the immigration network here. It was an Article 8 appeal (right to family and private life), but the focus of the determination was the CAT's Article 8 rights.

    Like I said, 

    Head Desk.

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  • I have strong feelings about this that I'd like to post and did, but now editting as I don't think I should post them in a public setting. 

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  • Yes well, although I would love to meet the guy's lawyer as it truly is a brilliant win, I find the case itself appalling - not only the determination, but that an overstayer and shoplifter was allowed to stay.

    The guy is clearly not an upstanding immigrant, and contributes to the bad name that immigration has.

    There are a million and one cases about people who should absolutely not be here as they are living off the taxes of UK residents and citizens, committing crimes - petty and large but are allowed to stay for ridiculous reasons, like their brother is here, or they are an integral part of their footie team.

    Buuuuttttt.... it's not these people that the UK is able to point the finger at - they are here on human rights grounds, right? We're just here working and paying tax and contributing to our communities. But we need to GTFO.

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  • Someone needs to rip that judge a new one.

    I'm not sure if this is true, but a Brit we met in Nepal was telling us of cases where a burglar had been injured breaking into a house and was able to sue the homeowner.   I'm not sure how far he got, but the fact that the prosecutor did it and that the judge didn't STRONGLY smack that crap down is ridiculous.

    So it seems like these ridiculous cases are not just an immigration issue.  Judges need to get a backbone and not say things like, "I just interpret the law, it's not up to me to decide if the facts merit an interpretation of the law" or something along those lines.

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  • So what's to stop everyone wanting to stay in the UK from adopting a cat and citing that case as precedence? I guess all of this board's UK visa problems were just solved.
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  • That's an amazing case... especially since here in the U.S. we seem to really love splitting up not just people and their pets, but undocumented adults from their citizen-children.  If only the detained were given trials...
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    That's an amazing case... especially since here in the U.S. we seem to really love splitting up not just people and their pets, but undocumented adults from their citizen-children.  If only the detained were given trials...
    From what I've heard, they're generally pretty down with splitting people up in the UK too. Which makes this case all the more ridiculous and weird.
  • That's seriously messed up.  
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  • imageTofumonkey:

    Here's a head-desk moment for you - have you all heard about the immigration case in the UK going around the news right now?

    I heard about it years ago when I first started in the industry - I want to buy this guy's lawyer a serious drink.

    He could not be deported, and was instead granted permanent residency, because his cat was British.

    Surprise
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  • imageTofumonkey:

    A Bolivian student overstayed his visa in the UK, for like, a year. No intention of renewing or living here legally. He got caught by the police shoplifting at Debenhams on Oxford Street (Central London) and at that point his immigration status came to light ( police can do instant checks ). He was detained and due to be deported, but he appealed against the deportation.

    At his hearing, the judge ruled that he couldn't be deported to Boliva, because he and his British girlfriend had bought / adopted a cat. The cat was British, and therefore the cat could not be deported. He, as a parent / owner of the British cat, could not be deported because he had a right of access to the CAT.

    The judge then went on to say in her determination that the deportation of the cat to an unknown country would be a disproportionate consequence to the CAT, thus the man can stay.

    He was given indefinite leave to remain. 

    Lame.
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  • imageTofumonkey:

    We're just here working and paying tax and contributing to our communities. But we need to GTFO. 

    Couldn't agree more. 

  • imageJetur20:

    I'm not sure if this is true, but a Brit we met in Nepal was telling us of cases where a burglar had been injured breaking into a house and was able to sue the homeowner.   I'm not sure how far he got, but the fact that the prosecutor did it and that the judge didn't STRONGLY smack that crap down is ridiculous.

    It's true (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm) but there have been moves recently to clarify 'homeowners' rights': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

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    imageJetur20:

    I'm not sure if this is true, but a Brit we met in Nepal was telling us of cases where a burglar had been injured breaking into a house and was able to sue the homeowner.   I'm not sure how far he got, but the fact that the prosecutor did it and that the judge didn't STRONGLY smack that crap down is ridiculous.

    It's true (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm) but there have been moves recently to clarify 'homeowners' rights': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

    Couldn't this happen in the US depending on the state? I mean, if you were in a state where you owe a duty of care to trespassers and the home had been broken into previously I can see it happening ETA: just read the story, I was imagining a different scenario ( liar liar type where the burglar fell through the roof and landed on a knife). This could absolutely happen in the US in a state without an ironclad castle law. I thought it was settled law that you can't protect just property with deadly force.
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    imageooolalalolo:
    imageJetur20:

    I'm not sure if this is true, but a Brit we met in Nepal was telling us of cases where a burglar had been injured breaking into a house and was able to sue the homeowner.   I'm not sure how far he got, but the fact that the prosecutor did it and that the judge didn't STRONGLY smack that crap down is ridiculous.

    It's true (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm) but there have been moves recently to clarify 'homeowners' rights': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

    Couldn't this happen in the US depending on the state? I mean, if you were in a state where you owe a duty of care to trespassers and the home had been broken into previously I can see it happening ETA: just read the story, I was imagining a different scenario ( liar liar type where the burglar fell through the roof and landed on a knife). This could absolutely happen in the US in a state without an ironclad castle law. I thought it was settled law that you can't protect just property with deadly force.

    Yeah, the deadly force thing I get.  The case he told us about was when someone hurt their hand breaking the glass to get in or something along those lines. 

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