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documentary on vaccines
I saw on another board a link to a documentary about vaccines. I decided to watch it. If you're interested you can watch it (for free!) here. I'm almost done watching it and I have to say, it doesn't change my mind. While I understand the concerns that some have, I just feel like it's my job as a parent to help prevent major illnesses in my children and I feel like I can do that via vaccines. Just curious if anyone else has seen it. Thoughts?
And robyn - watching this, with your experience, may raise your blood pressure which you might not need right now. ;-)
Re: documentary on vaccines
HA! Yeah, I wouldn't watch it, to be honest. Vaccines are just a no brainer for my family. Like you said, I feel it is my job to try to prevent illnesses in my children. I also feel that I am doing a possible disservice to the people my children are around if they cannot be vaccinated for some reason.
There's really nothing that would change my mind on vaccinations.
I have not watched it yet but I was JUST coming to the board to post this...
Holy parenting fail.
I have tired to keep an open mind about this, especially since the so called "link" between autism and vaccines and our little autism "scare." I just can't feel like I'd allow my child(ren) to get one of these horrible diseases. My mom remembers how excited her parents were to give her the polio vaccine. She also had a couple other diseases that there are now vaccines for and I remember her telling me that I was going to get a shot and that it would hurt but getting the disease would feel awful for a very long time. The shot would just hurt for a little bit. I feel much the same way.
Although I do think this doc had some valid points, they weren't enough to make me risk my children going through any of the diseases.
The chicken pox parties, etc. seem really awful to me. I can understand how people say that natural immunity is best, but being sick and going through the disease to get that immunity when you could get it without having to go through the illness seems silly to me. Immunity without illness seems like it should be the goal. I had chicken pox and then shingles. I wouldn't recommend it.
FYI for anyone who is interested:
The initial study by Andrew Wakefield published in the Lancet (1998) was what started this whole debacle. It has since been retracted by the Lancet, after the British GMC (the government body that registers/regulates physicians in the UK, would be similar to a State Medical Board here) proved several (3 dozen) charges against him involving his "research." You can find the details anywhere but it includes financial motivations, performing procedures on children without consent, etc. It is now considered a fradulent paper without medical merit.
This is what was published in the Lancet in February 2010:
Retraction?Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia,
non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder
in children
Following the judgment of the UK General Medical Council?s Fitness to Practise Panel on Jan 28, 2010, it has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al1 are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation.2 In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were ?consecutively referred? and that investigations were ?approved? by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record.
The Editors of The Lancet
The Lancet, London NW1 7BY, UK
1 Wakefield AJ, Murch SH, Anthony A, et al. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet 1998; 351: 637?41.
2 Hodgson H. A statement by The Royal Free and University College Medical School and The Royal Free Hampstead NHS Trust. Lancet 2004; 363: 824.
Despite all this, this man has already had a hugely negative impact on so many children that have been affected by their parents' decisions against vaccinating, because of his fraud. It's such a sad situation - I have no doubt all parents want to do what is best for their children, and misinformation only causes everyone harm.
This new doc is saying that there still may be a link that the mercury could cause some harm which would bring out autism or something weird like that. I honestly don't believe there's any link due to reading the "research" that this guy did along with his motives, sample size, etc. I'm just glad we carefully researched vaccines before we had Owen vaccinated because for a while there we did re-research everything and re-questioned everything.
I don't know. I like to try to be open-minded and as up to date as I can on new trends and stuff, but I feel like this is really irresponsible. This doc left a really odd taste in my mouth. I feel like they found a few examples and made it out to be more of "the norm" that it really is. I don't know. It's just odd.
My son wanting a pink bathrobe for Christmas (true story) is odd, this man has done something criminal.
Ok, so that's a little inflammatory, but what he did was unethical to say the least, and has caused innumerable children grievous harm. I think it's horrible & it breaks my heart.
After watching a vaccine-preventable illness nearly kill my son, NOTHING will change my mind on the importance of on-schedule vaccines for everyone whose body can tolerate them. As far as the supposed autism link, I don't buy it. In fact, as much as 50% of autism cases are caused by undiagnosed Celiac disease and gluten intolerance... both HUGE problems that are completely ignored by the medical community (unless the individual is presenting with extreme "classic Celiac" symptoms, which in fact are actually not the norm for those afflicted).
http://www.healthnowmedical.com/blog/2011/10/27/does-gluten-intolerance-cause-autism/
This is interesting! I'm going to do some reading here.
and when I said "odd" I mean the tone of the doc. It was really strange to me.
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Can you point me to the source for this? I found her book but I can't find her original data to support the info I'm reading on the website. I've searched for articles on Pubmed, Cochrane, and via Google Scholar & I'm not finding any published research under Vikki Petersen (though I don't know if that's her given name, maybe she would publish under a different name?) Just wondering if you have the book & have the references. It's an interesting theory (without supporting evidence I'm going to have to call it a theory, not factual information) and I'd be interested in reading more...
I don't have her book. Did you look under Dr. Alessio Fasano? He is the most widely-renowned doctor in the Celiac field and has tons of info out there.
I found 2 articles, sound potentially interesting. Didn't have the full text immediately available but I'll look into library holdings. If I find either/both, would you want a copy? Just let me know.
Neurologic and Psychiatric Manifestations of Celiac Disease and Gluten Sensitivity.
Source
Maryland Psychiatric Research Center, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Box 21247, Baltimore, MD, 21228, USA.
Abstract
Celiac Disease (CD) is an immune-mediated disease dependent on gluten (a protein present in wheat, rye or barley) that occurs in about 1% of the population and is generally characterized by gastrointestinal complaints. More recently the understanding and knowledge of gluten sensitivity (GS), has emerged as an illness distinct from celiac disease with an estimated prevalence 6 times that of CD. Gluten sensitive people do not have villous atrophy or antibodies that are present in celiac disease, but rather they can test positive for antibodies to gliadin. Both CD and GS may present with a variety of neurologic and psychiatric co-morbidities, however, extraintestinal symptoms may be the prime presentation in those with GS. However, gluten sensitivity remains undertreated and underrecognized as a contributing factor to psychiatric and neurologic manifestiations. This review focuses on neurologic and psychiatric manifestations implicated with gluten sensitivity, reviews the emergence of gluten sensitivity distinct from celiac disease, and summarizes the potential mechanisms related to this immune reaction.
The Expression of Caspases is Enhanced in Peripheral Blood Mononuclear Cells of Autism Spectrum Disorder Patients.
Source
Department of Experimental Medicine, Division of Pharmacology, Second University of Naples, via S. Maria di Costantinopoli, 16, 80138, Naples, Italy, dariosin@uab.edu.
Abstract
Autism and autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) are heterogeneous complex neuro-developmental disorders characterized by dysfunctions in social interaction and communication skills. Their pathogenesis has been linked to interactions between genes and environmental factors. Consistent with the evidence of certain similarities between immune cells and neurons, autistic children also show an altered immune response of peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs). In this study, we investigated the activation of caspases, cysteinyl aspartate-specific proteases involved in apoptosis and several other cell functions in PBMCs from 15 ASD children compared to age-matched normal healthy developing controls. The mRNA levels for caspase-1, -2, -4, -5 were significantly increased in ASD children as compared to healthy subjects. Protein levels of Caspase-3, -7, -12 were also increased in ASD patients. Our data are suggestive of a possible role of the capsase pathway in ASD clinical outcome and of the use of caspase as potential diagnostic and/or therapeutic tools in ASD management.
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