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Re: Duggar's having #20

  • I'm not sure what to say I don't understand not using birth control and saying it is in gods hands to decide how many children I will have
  • Oyo!  I don't agree, but at least they take full responsibility for their children.  I also assume that they have to have a pretty good sex life.  Part of me hopes that the last one will be a hell raiser Wink

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  • While I believe that every child is a blessing I think after having so many it is impossible to give every kid the attention and time they deserve. I mean having 3 or 4 is nice but anymore is just crazy!
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  • I can't help but wonder how much of themselves they give to their kids, you know? I suppose it teaches the kids to raise each other, which isn't entirely a bad thing... that's what many immigrant families used to have to deal with (if the mothers survived childbirth) 150 years ago. At least they're financially sound too (no Octomom again! That made me ill.). 

    I guess if they aren't bothering anyone and the kids are happy, well adjusted and looked after, then it's no harm, no foul.

  • I can't get it out of my head that something is going to go wrong this time and she won't survive. I know I sound morbid and I really hope that she has a healthy pregnancy.
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  • imageBarbett:
    I'm not sure what to say I don't understand not using birth control and saying it is in gods hands to decide how many children I will have

    Right after their first was born Michelle went on birth control. She actually got pg again while on it, so she stopped taking it. She miscarried, though, and learned that the BC pills could have been a cause for that. I don't know how true that was then, or if it's true now, but that's what led them to stop using BC altogether and rely on God's plan fully.

    I do not want that many children at all, but I don't really have anything against them doing it. All the kids seem healthy and well-adjusted, which is more than you can say for most kids. I don't really agree with their beliefs, but they seem like nice people so I wish them a happy, healthy pregnancy-- and hope this is the last one! 

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  • My thought was after Josie being born at 23 weeks, I don't think I could go through a pregnancy again. She's braver than (or crazier than) I am.
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  • There was quite the debate about this yesterday on my BMB, and I guess it all boils down to religion, which I'm not touching with a 10 foot pool.

    All I know is that there's no way in hell I'd put myself in that situation.

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  • Sorry, iPhone posted prematurely!

    Anyway, not to preach but just to share. At first, i was side eyeing the Duggar #20 news. I've never had anything against them for it since they all seem to be productive and well adjusted, but I was just thinking about what happened with the last pregnancy.

    I've been reading a book that my friend / Darian's godmother gave me about raising a Catholic child. Last night I read a chapter talking about your plan vs God's plan, and how those things often differ. I need to digest it still because it's all well and good to sing praises about God's plan (or fate, destiny or the universe, what have you) when things are going well, but sometimes tragedies happen too (as we all know too well). But I can respect those who want to believe that God's plan is greater than their own agenda. 

    Within that chapter, the author also talked about how having children shows you that love isn't finite, but multiplies, which I can see is true now that I have Darian. I see what kaesha is saying about them being limited in how much of themselves they can devote to each kid, but on the other hand it seems like the kids have all gained a lot from having each other too, you know? There was an old episode of Full House when Michelle was sad that she didn't have a mommy, and Danny explained to her that she does have everyone else. (And the cute line was "I bet NO ONE has a Joey!" haha). 

     Anyway, I can't say that I'd be up for their lifestyle, but last night's read did make me rethink our family planning strategy.  

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  • I can't say that I would ever want that lifestyle for myself (because I definitely don't), but they seem like a pretty well-adjusted family. Their kids aren't off getting into trouble and they seem genuine on their show (granted it is reality TV so you never really know just how real it is). The part that bothers me the most though is that obviously Michelle is a high risk pregnancy. After what the family went through with Josie I would not want to be in that sort of position again. I also wouldn't want anything bad to happen to Michelle as a result of the pregnancies; 20 children need to have a mother. 
  • While I do have a certain measure of admiration for how they are raising what seem to be responsible, caring children, and they are self-sufficient and not relying on any public assistance, I have to say I think it is irresponsible to produce so many offspring.  Do the older children really want to raise the little ones?  Maybe so, maybe not.  Michelle and JimBob say that they make a point to have one-on-one time with each child once a week.  Once a week?  That isn't enough.  And what if each child produces just four children?  80 grandchildren.  And if they produce just four children?  320 great-grandchildren.  With all the concerns about the Earth being able to sustain the 7 billion people who already exist - should we be multiplying like that?

    I realize the decision to produce 20 children is just a valid as the decision to not reproduce at all, but I do think they need to stop.  Not to mention the health concerns for Michelle (her OB recommends no further pregnancies due to two bouts of pre-eclampsia, multiple C-sections, and advanced maternal age).

    Michelle needs a copy of TCOYF, with special emphasis on the chapters about charting to avoid.  It's a vag, not a clown car.

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  • I agree with LesPaul.

    Also I went to school with a girl that came from a family of 12 maybe 13. Her mother was still having kids when we graduated high school.  She was I think number four. She would talk about it sometimes. That she felt that she didn't really have a parent. That she was parenting the smaller kids. That her parents didn't really care about her and the other siblings because they didn't have time to give them. She swore when she had her own family that she would have a two kids because she wanted to give them each attention and raise them. I wonder if the older kids feel that way. 

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    While I do have a certain measure of admiration for how they are raising what seem to be responsible, caring children, and they are self-sufficient and not relying on any public assistance, I have to say I think it is irresponsible to produce so many offspring.  Do the older children really want to raise the little ones?  Maybe so, maybe not.  Michelle and JimBob say that they make a point to have one-on-one time with each child once a week.  Once a week?  That isn't enough.  And what if each child produces just four children?  80 grandchildren.  And if they produce just four children?  320 great-grandchildren.  With all the concerns about the Earth being able to sustain the 7 billion people who already exist - should we be multiplying like that?

    I realize the decision to produce 20 children is just a valid as the decision to not reproduce at all, but I do think they need to stop.  Not to mention the health concerns for Michelle (her OB recommends no further pregnancies due to two bouts of pre-eclampsia, multiple C-sections, and advanced maternal age).

    Michelle needs a copy of TCOYF, with special emphasis on the chapters about charting to avoid.  It's a vag, not a clown car.

    I think this was well put, so I won't add much else. All I can say is at least they're contributing to society and not damaging it like most people. There were other complicated pregnancies, as Les mentioned, but they were before they started being televised. I think that's why people like to harp on Josie's birth, because it's the one they know. The odds for her to have pre-e again are slimmer than you might think. However, Michelle's age and healthiness of her body must be a factor in the future pregnancies. I can't imagine all the damage 20 pregnancies has had. Plus, she's had a few c-sections, and I know most doctors won't allow you to have any more after a certain amount.

    I can't imagine what her OB must think when she hears another one is on the way. She must bang her head against a wall after their appointments.

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