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I just read a good bit of the GJ indictment of Sandusky

I feel sick to my stomach; I feel bad for the people who had to listen to all that testimony.

Also - why didn't anybody's antenna go up when some old dude starts picking up 7 year olds to go to football games?  And, starts bringing kids to out of town team events, dinners, hotel stays, etc.  Is that normal??

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Re: I just read a good bit of the GJ indictment of Sandusky

  • OMG DON"T READ IT.

    I read it the other day and almost vomited.  Or burst into tears at my desk. I couldn't decide which.

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  • Yeah, I read it other day--it's an absolute trainwreck.  I still feel affected by it.

    OTOH, I hate that people are making statements and forming opinions without reading it.  No one can possibly think Paterno is a scapegoat or did everything he could if they read it.  I dare anyone to read it and not be completely outraged at every adult mentioned.

  • I forced myself to read it, too, and am still sick thinking about it.  I can't even begin to wrap my head around that chain of events or what those boys went through.

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  • imagelsgarver:

    Yeah, I read it other day--it's an absolute trainwreck.  I still feel affected by it.

    OTOH, I hate that people are making statements and forming opinions without reading it.  No one can possibly think Paterno is a scapegoat or did everything he could if they read it.  I dare anyone to read it and not be completely outraged at every adult mentioned.

    I do agree with your second paragraph. Obviously reading it doesn't mean we're experts in what happened, but it's certainly a direct source for what the grand jury found.

    And it is pretty appalling in terms of how many chances there were to stop sandusky.

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  • imagelsgarver:

    Yeah, I read it other day--it's an absolute trainwreck.  I still feel affected by it.

    OTOH, I hate that people are making statements and forming opinions without reading it.  No one can possibly think Paterno is a scapegoat or did everything he could if they read it.  I dare anyone to read it and not be completely outraged at every adult mentioned.

    I'm not going to read this, so I guess my opinion is biased,. However, did everything he could = going to the police as well as the administration.Obviously, Paterno didn't do that. It appears that all those involved were more concerned about football and reputations (the athletic department's, the director's, PSU's) than they were about the children being abused.

    Edited for clarity.

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  • I read it and wished I could bleach my brain afterwards.
  • also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

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    also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

    From what I read, he told his father that night and his father met with Paterno the next morning and told him. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that he witnessed that and walked out, leaving that boy. It makes me sick to my stomach.

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    imageKathrynMD:

    also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

    From what I read, he told his father that night and his father met with Paterno the next morning and told him. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that he witnessed that and walked out, leaving that boy. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    According to the indictment, he heard them, then saw them, they saw him (Sandusky and the kid), freaked out and called his Dad for advice.  Dad counseled him to tell Paterno the next day - which he did.  But, he WITNESSED A 10 YO BEING RAPED by an adult and did nothing. 

    He turned around, left the room and called his Dad.  I can have sympathy for walking in on something so disturbing and upsetting that you freeze momentarily, but to walk away from that?  NO.  He could have at a minimum called the police that night, when he got off the phone w/ his father.

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  • imageKathrynMD:
    imageidonthavethis:
    imageKathrynMD:

    also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

    From what I read, he told his father that night and his father met with Paterno the next morning and told him. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that he witnessed that and walked out, leaving that boy. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    According to the indictment, he heard them, then saw them, they saw him (Sandusky and the kid), freaked out and called his Dad for advice.  Dad counseled him to tell Paterno the next day - which he did.  But, he WITNESSED A 10 YO BEING RAPED by an adult and did nothing. 

    He turned around, left the room and called his Dad.  I can have sympathy for walking in on something so disturbing and upsetting that you freeze momentarily, but to walk away from that?  NO.  He could have at a minimum called the police that night, when he got off the phone w/ his father.

    Yeah, I do have issue w/ the fact that McQueary is still on the payroll despite the fact that he didn't call police WHEN HE WAS THE ONE TO WITNESS THE EVENT.  Even in the position of "just" being a GA, you're still an adult and know right from wrong.  Report it to your boss, yes; but I have no idea how you could walk away w/o calling the police.  I just don't get that at all.

    I also don't know how you could possibly walk away from a situation like that w/o trying to do something to stop it (knowing that Sandusky and the boy had both seen you) - that just nauseates me to no end.

  • imageThePastor'sWife:
    imageKathrynMD:
    imageidonthavethis:
    imageKathrynMD:

    also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

    From what I read, he told his father that night and his father met with Paterno the next morning and told him. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that he witnessed that and walked out, leaving that boy. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    According to the indictment, he heard them, then saw them, they saw him (Sandusky and the kid), freaked out and called his Dad for advice.  Dad counseled him to tell Paterno the next day - which he did.  But, he WITNESSED A 10 YO BEING RAPED by an adult and did nothing. 

    He turned around, left the room and called his Dad.  I can have sympathy for walking in on something so disturbing and upsetting that you freeze momentarily, but to walk away from that?  NO.  He could have at a minimum called the police that night, when he got off the phone w/ his father.

    Yeah, I do have issue w/ the fact that McQueary is still on the payroll despite the fact that he didn't call police WHEN HE WAS THE ONE TO WITNESS THE EVENT.  Even in the position of "just" being a GA, you're still an adult and know right from wrong.  Report it to your boss, yes; but I have no idea how you could walk away w/o calling the police.  I just don't get that at all.

    I also don't know how you could possibly walk away from a situation like that w/o trying to do something to stop it (knowing that Sandusky and the boy had both seen you) - that just nauseates me to no end.

    This exactly. How can you not do something to remove the child from the situation? I can not imagine seeing something like that and walking away to call without that child with me. There was a lot of wrong done but that one just blows my mind.

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  • imageThePastor'sWife:
    imageKathrynMD:
    imageidonthavethis:
    imageKathrynMD:

    also - what about the "graduate assistant" who witnessed the rape in 2002?  why didn't he report it to the police or even the campus police?  Why did it take him a day to report it to Paterno? 

    So many people put themselve above these kids. 

    From what I read, he told his father that night and his father met with Paterno the next morning and told him. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that he witnessed that and walked out, leaving that boy. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    According to the indictment, he heard them, then saw them, they saw him (Sandusky and the kid), freaked out and called his Dad for advice.  Dad counseled him to tell Paterno the next day - which he did.  But, he WITNESSED A 10 YO BEING RAPED by an adult and did nothing. 

    He turned around, left the room and called his Dad.  I can have sympathy for walking in on something so disturbing and upsetting that you freeze momentarily, but to walk away from that?  NO.  He could have at a minimum called the police that night, when he got off the phone w/ his father.

    Yeah, I do have issue w/ the fact that McQueary is still on the payroll despite the fact that he didn't call police WHEN HE WAS THE ONE TO WITNESS THE EVENT.  Even in the position of "just" being a GA, you're still an adult and know right from wrong.  Report it to your boss, yes; but I have no idea how you could walk away w/o calling the police.  I just don't get that at all.

    I also don't know how you could possibly walk away from a situation like that w/o trying to do something to stop it (knowing that Sandusky and the boy had both seen you) - that just nauseates me to no end.

    I havent' been able to bring myself to read it and now, I am definitely not going to.  I'm sick enough about all of this as it is...I couldn't deal with reading that too.  

     But yes, the fact McQueary is still taking that field as a coach on Saturday- and Joe isn't -makes me angrier than I have been in a very long time.   And why in the hell is Tim Curley (AD that was indicted for perjury) still technically employed and only on "leave"??????   So many unanswered questions.  Now there are rumors going around that the oh-so-high & mighty board of trustees knew things too...yet they are making themselves out to be perfect.   ack...need to stop talking about this before I put my blood pressure through the roof.

  • I'm a Penn State Alum, and all I can say is that the entire situation is so utterly sad and heartbreaking.

    Ironically, I slept out for front row tickets to the last game my senior year.  It was also Jerry Sandusky's last game.  I even had my picture taken with him.  Ick!

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  • imagelauranne:

    I'm a Penn State Alum, and all I can say is that the entire situation is so utterly sad and heartbreaking.

    Ironically, I slept out for front row tickets to the last game my senior year.  It was also Jerry Sandusky's last game.  I even had my picture taken with him.  Ick!

    He fooled a lot of people.  People like that are just good in hiding it, unfortunately.

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