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Who do you consider Veterans?

Today one of H's friends on Facebook said this-

I'm sorry but if you didn't deploy at one point during your military service, while I'll still respect you, I won't consider you a Veteran.

*I will DD that later since it's her actual status* 

Does anyone agree with this? I don't. I know people who were in for years and didn't deploy and I consider them Veterans. H & some of his friends were pretty heated about this comment, but some people agreed with her. She was in herself and usually likes to have pissing contests on who's more important/the who's had it worse game, but I was wondering if anyone felt the same way. 

Re: Who do you consider Veterans?

  • Is this a service member's status? I find it super inappropriate. A lot of people who were in at different times had no chance to deploy. Deployed vets are VFWs. 
    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • I still consider them veterans whether they have deployed or not. Although, personally I do slightly respect the men and women that have deployed more than those who have not. I also think deployments should play a bigger role in promotions and such, but that is a different story that I'm not willing to get into now. 

    Before people get their panties in a bunch, I'm not at all saying I don't respect those who haven't. 

    *shrugs* just my opinion. 

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  • I see where she is coming from. I used to think that. However my opinion changed once I married DH and I started going on base to do all kinds of paperwork. I saw that just because they don't deploy doesn't mean they are any less important. Everyone helps and makes civilian world better. Even if they don't see it. I am very thankful for every service member from past and present. I guess its just peoples personal opinions.
  • Enh, if we want to quibble about who deserves to be called a vet, then I think we should talk about what really constitutes a deployment. If someone volunteered to join the military and their service isn't good enough because they happened to be in during peacetime, then Navy floats and AF trips to Guam don't count either. Combat deployments only! In fact, in theater? Big deal! Only if you fired a round. 

    /end sarcasm 

     

    ETA: I would, and I'm not kidding, post this on her status. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veteran 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • imageWishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    Is this a service member's status? I find it super inappropriate. A lot of people who were in at different times had no chance to deploy. Deployed vets are VFWs. 

    I felt the same way about it being inappropriate, but also in a way kind of like thinking less of those who serve, but haven't deployed.  She got out about 6 years ago, so seeing her say this was kind of like, well, tell us how you really feel. 

  •  I was in 6 years, never deployed. Sure I was in the "Chair Force" sipping Marg's on the beach but I did my fair share of TDY's and endless hours working "overtime". Girlfriend needs to be educated! :)
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    imageWishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    Is this a service member's status? I find it super inappropriate. A lot of people who were in at different times had no chance to deploy. Deployed vets are VFWs. 

    I felt the same way about it being inappropriate, but also in a way kind of like thinking less of those who serve, but haven't deployed.  She got out about 6 years ago, so seeing her say this was kind of like, well, tell us how you really feel. 

    If she deployed, then she's a VFW. She's already special. A vet is someone who has served. She must never get to feel sanctimonious about anything else.  

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • I think Stan's distinction of veteran and VFW is what a lot of people don't know and/or understand.
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  • imagemillysnoods:
     I was in 6 years, never deployed. Sure I was in the "Chair Force" sipping Marg's on the beach but I did my fair share of TDY's and endless hours working "overtime". Girlfriend needs to be educated! :)

    Happy Veteran's Day! Thanks for volunteering to do whatever you were told to do, including deploy, even if you never had to!

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • imageLace&Josh:
    I think Stan's distinction of veteran and VFW is what a lot of people don't know and/or understand.

    I agree.

  • imageWishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    imageTulipBelle:

    imageWishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    Is this a service member's status? I find it super inappropriate. A lot of people who were in at different times had no chance to deploy. Deployed vets are VFWs. 

    I felt the same way about it being inappropriate, but also in a way kind of like thinking less of those who serve, but haven't deployed.  She got out about 6 years ago, so seeing her say this was kind of like, well, tell us how you really feel. 

    If she deployed, then she's a VFW. She's already special. A vet is someone who has served. She must never get to feel sanctimonious about anything else.  

     

    Stan you are a rock star :) When I think of H being a VFW I think of a cute little old man sitting at a bar glad to be amongst brothers and sisters in arms, and sharing war stories.  It warms my heart hehe 

  • WTF.
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  • imageericandmarie:

    I still consider them veterans whether they have deployed or not. Although, personally I do slightly respect the men and women that have deployed more than those who have not. I also think deployments should play a bigger role in promotions and such, but that is a different story that I'm not willing to get into now. 

    Before people get their panties in a bunch, I'm not at all saying I don't respect those who haven't. 

    *shrugs* just my opinion. 

    Deployment taskers vary based on MAJCOM and AFSC. AMMO doesn't deserve fewer promotions than paralegals because their annual TDYs are to safer places and such. The more hard core AFSCs (like EOD) have drastically lower retention rates, which is reflected both in their promotion rates and in their enlistment/reenlistment bonuses.
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  • My H said this and I gave him some major side eye. No, you aren't a war vet but you're definately a veteran of the U.S. military.

    Now I admit I get stabby when someone who served their 4 year commitment calls themselves a retiree but this quibbling over who is a vet is ridiculous.



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  • imagehindsight's_a_biotch:

    My H said this and I gave him some major side eye. No, you aren't a war vet but you're definately a veteran of the U.S. military.

    Now I admit I get stabby when someone who served their 4 year commitment calls themselves a retiree but this quibbling over who is a vet is ridiculous.

    Say wha? 

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  • imageLace&Josh:
    imagehindsight's_a_biotch:

    Now I admit I get stabby when someone who served their 4 year commitment calls themselves a retiree but this quibbling over who is a vet is ridiculous.

    Say wha? 

    It's a semantics thing. It's not that I consider them less worthy of admiration or their service less important but imo, if you didn't do 20 and/or draw a pension, you didn't retiree. You simply finished your committment.

    For instance, my mom served 8 years. She's a vet. My father served 22. He's a retiree.

    But I think that's more a documentary thing where they show these young things commenting on the Iraq war. Underneath their name it will often say Pfc Joe Iknowsomeonewhogotshotat Schmoe, retired.

    Retired my ass. LOLOL okay so maybe you're all side eyeing me now. IDK.



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  • imagehindsight's_a_biotch:
    imageLace&Josh:
    imagehindsight's_a_biotch:

    Now I admit I get stabby when someone who served their 4 year commitment calls themselves a retiree but this quibbling over who is a vet is ridiculous.

    Say wha? 

    It's a semantics thing. It's not that I consider them less worthy of admiration or their service less important but imo, if you didn't do 20 and/or draw a pension, you didn't retiree. You simply finished your committment.

    For instance, my mom served 8 years. She's a vet. My father served 22. He's a retiree.

    But I think that's more a documentary thing where they show these young things commenting on the Iraq war. Underneath their name it will often say Pfc Joe Iknowsomeonewhogotshotat Schmoe, retired.

    Retired my ass. LOLOL okay so maybe you're all side eyeing me now. IDK.

    No, I am with you. I always wondered about the documentary thing but didn't know if retirement requirements were different in the olden days. (It seems to be WW2 era docs that say PFC, retired.)

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    imageLace&Josh:
    imagehindsight's_a_biotch:

    Now I admit I get stabby when someone who served their 4 year commitment calls themselves a retiree but this quibbling over who is a vet is ridiculous.

    Say wha? 

    It's a semantics thing. It's not that I consider them less worthy of admiration or their service less important but imo, if you didn't do 20 and/or draw a pension, you didn't retiree. You simply finished your committment.

    For instance, my mom served 8 years. She's a vet. My father served 22. He's a retiree.

    But I think that's more a documentary thing where they show these young things commenting on the Iraq war. Underneath their name it will often say Pfc Joe Iknowsomeonewhogotshotat Schmoe, retired.

    Retired my ass. LOLOL okay so maybe you're all side eyeing me now. IDK.



    You can be a retired PFC. My grandpa was. He was medically retired after becoming disabled in WWII. He used to joke that the "PFC" on his ID card stood for "pretty fat colonel."

    Regarding the original question, anyone who has served is a veteran. Even if you never deployed, you signed up accepting that you may required to.
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  • I agree with anyone served being a veteran. I also agree with HAB regarding retirees.

    I did totally side eye an old friend who went to USAFA for one semester and dropped out, but then tried to claim she was a vet. Um, no. And that's a huge insult to anyone who has served, including her two star general dad.
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  • Medically retired is a totally different thing, imo.


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