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If you are bored & want to read drama: Duggar Naming Drama
The bad blood between The Bump & The Nest continues...
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Personally a.) I don't think the name is that bad b.) Funerals for dead babies are fine IMHO. I've even been to a small memorial service when my close friend had an early m/c at 6 weeks. It meant a lot to her that her baby existed (whether or not any one else believes it-- she did) and was loved. c.) The thread on 2nd Tri was deleted, but it had some seriously juicy stuff on it. I am still astounded that we can't curse on TB/TN but the N-word is available.
Re: If you are bored & want to read drama: Duggar Naming Drama
I agree.
You said a lot better than I could have. I was trying to say the same thing, but I am so amazed by that thread that the words were not coming. I know its all fun and games on the message boards and all, but sometimes you have to stop and realize that these are real people you are talking about.
I realize that its "all just a message board" but sometimes its better to keep that kind of mean crap to yourself. (not you specifically SCC-- that is a collective you.)
Eh. I can have a little bit of sympathy in that regard for actors or musicians, but it's not like the Duggars are known for a role or a song. They're known because they let TLC film them living their lives. I think it's kind of silly to get all handswringy about how, now that something interesting has happened to them, they deserve privacy. Eff that.
Also, Jubilee is a terrible name. Why anyone would name a kid after the worst X-man ever is beyond me.
why do only "legitimately" famous people deserve empathy and respect? Why does how they make their money or fame even enter the picture? And im not even talking about privacy, just... fuuck treat their loss as something more than a joke or something to mock, even if it was a terrible name. I dont understand why someone would never dream about saying the same things about some random nestie but welp, the Duggars deserve it. Why not just treat everyone as what they are. Human beings. FFS i feel like the world has gone mad.
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Why does living your life "in the public eye" = a free pass for the public to make a mockery of your pain? When did we all become so heartless? Why do they deserve any less respect in their loss than a first time mother in BFE without a tv show?
*shakes head* I have nothing else to say. Im just sad about all of this.
OMG, get a grip woman! Yes, it's heartless if you're all "Good! They deserved to have that miscarriage". But saying that the name Jubilee Shalom is awful (because it is... that's just simple fact) is not heartless. And if you think it is... well sweet 'ums, you're just too delicate a flower for this harsh, cruel world.
And yes, I believe that if you're willing to take the money being in the public eye allots you (and I believe this is true for most if not all celebrities, not just reality show stars)... you have to also be willing to take other people's judgments and criticisms of how you live that life (or at least learn to ignore them). Are those people always right? Nope! But it comes with the territory. If you're not willing to accept that, you get a nice job sitting in a cubicle 8 hours a day like the rest of us and enjoy your privacy. Like broc said- you can't make your living based on the interesting things that happen in your life and then dictate what is and isn't fodder for the public.
I didn't even read those posts--- if they say (like I said early) "Fvck the Duggars- I'm glad that baby was taken from them!", well, those people are just gross. But if you're getting all pearl-clutchy over people saying they don't like the name... you need a sedative.
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I don't care. That's my take on it. As far as the name goes...well...
Jubilee was pretty much the most worthless of the X-Men. Ever. I mean, really. All she did was get kidnapped. She was like the motherfucking Princess Peach of the X-Men.
That is all.
I didn't say anything about the legitimacy of their fame, dude. It's the difference between, say, a Top Chef vs the duggars. A Top Chef contestant is on TV to showcase their cooking, and their personal life also gets chronicled a bit as a result. The Duggars are on TV to showcase their personal life, full f*ckin stop.
You can't say, as a reality star who is a reality star because of the life you lead, that you want your happy special friends time 'real' life showcased and then don't want to segment the tragic, weird, what have you.
Mind you, I don't think anyone said that it wasn't tragic or awful. But that is still a terrible name.
{edit} because I missed a 'not'.
I never meant saying the name was awful was heartless and boo hoo wah wah mean people!! The comments you didn't even read were the ones I was talking about. Maybe you should read them.
thanks! ESF had posted that her internet was down over turkey day but didn't know that it was going to be a long lasting problem.
I don't think the pearl clutching is JUST about the name mockery. I admit that Jubliee is not all my style and I wouldn't use it. I don't think its an atrocity. I have seen WAY worse on TB Name board, honestly.
I think most of the shock and awe associated with the post is related to the fact that there is some seriously messed up stuff that posters said throughout. It isn't just about the name mockery. There is a whole lotta messed up in that thread that is pretty shocking (to me at least).
But we've established that I'm a sensitive person.
I missed all the posts on all the boards...but im going to add this..
I think Jubilee means celebrate/celebration.It is also the name of a big christian center..they have them across the country... And Shalom means peace.
I couldnt care what they name their kids, but I thought MAYBE that is why they choose this name?
This is a nice thought.
Although, I think Jim Bob wanted to name the last one Jubilee, too. I guess it could have been for similar reasons?
You know, maybe its a combination of reasons? The meaning of the name being one. Also, the thought went through my head that my DH liked some pretty terrible names (Dakota, Cheyenne-- I think he thought we were naming a horse) so maybe deep down, it just happened to be a fitting name that they wouldn't have used on a baby that lived?
I read that monstrosity during my lunch today. I don't care for Jubilee, but I can maybe get why they chose the name, especially based on mags' suggestion.
I also agree with imoan though. They put themselves in the spotlight, therefore, open themselves up to criticism and people talking about their lives. Is their loss different than that of someone in BFE? No, both are equally sad, but the woman in BFE likely isn't going to make the cover of People magazine when it happens to her. I do not get why they felt it necessary to publicize the name and then demand privacy. It is, of course, very sad that a baby was lost, especially that far into the pregnancy, and I get why they'd have named her and had a funeral. However, I will say that several of those comments were way beyond the line of common decency - that Dylanite guy and his puddle of Jubilee comment was just disgusting - but for the most part, I really didn't see what the big deal was. Most people were talking about how they didn't like the name, which is not a lot different than the rest of the bad baby name posts, save for the nasty comments by a few posters in that thread. The follow up AE bombing was pretty ridiculous though.
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You're looking at the details and not the bigger picture and the real point I was trying to make.
In the scheme of things, I really don't ~*~*~CAAAAARE~*~*~ about the Duggars, its about how apparently people in general these days don't have much respect/empathy for other people whether they're in the public eye or not (although especially not if they happen to be in the public eye).
Just because these people make their living(s) by being out there in your face doesn't make them less human. More open to criticism, of course, but why feel the need to be that way? I just dont get it.
To me though, for them being in the public eye, it makes more sense to publish all this stuff at once. Can you imagine how hard it would be to try to process grief, and move on, if everyone kept wanting to ask you about it individually?
Except for the obvious trolling, I don't see what's so bad about that thread, initially I should say. No one said anything that bad that wasn't prefaced with an "I'm so going to hell." Fvcking Bump gets so worked into a tizzy.
I'm still Lol'ing at "How'd you teach your vagina to type like that?" I don't care what anyone says, that shiit was funny.