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Gay Marriage in NJ

The same-sex marriage bill is being voted on in the state Assembly today.  It passed the Senate on Monday.  The governor says he'll veto it if it comes to him because he thinks it should be a constitutional amendment.

The anti-gay marriage protesters our outside my window.  They seem to be from a Spanish-speaking church group.  They are out there praying and preaching, singing and chanting.  What I want to know is why many Christians fight for separation of church and state when the government wants to mandate they meet requirements they see are outside their beliefs, but not when the government wants to change something that has no impact on their church whatever.  No one's going to force them to conduct same-sex marriages in their church, so why is separation of church and state suddenly no longer important?

Re: Gay Marriage in NJ

  • The short answer is that people selfishly put their beliefs first. The longer answer is that some groups think the US is meant to be a Christian (or judeo-christian) nation and the founding fathers did not mean otherwise in the Constitution. Others buy into fear propaganda that the state would force churches to marry gay couples.
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    The short answer is that people selfishly put their beliefs first. The longer answer is that some groups think the US is meant to be a Christian (or judeo-christian) nation and the founding fathers did not mean otherwise in the Constitution.

    I think if you believe either of these two things, your arguments that the government can't force you to do something outside your beliefs, like provide certain family planning procedures/medicines/coverage, should be automatically invalidated and hold no merit.  You can't have the cake and eat it too.

    See that, Cali?  I offered cake.

  • Ok, so it just passed the assembly. So CC gets veto power over this? Even though clearly, a majority is supporting it? I don't get how he has so much power in something like this. It's so f'ed up. I picture him like Henry VIII with his big turkey leg just yelling, "NO GAY MARRIAGE!!". I'm so annoyed. 

    It was 41-33 in the assembly vote. It wasn't like a one or two person margin for pete's sake.

    He should just let it sit the 45 days and do nothing, let it be legal and then claim he had nothing to do with it.

  • I cannot understand the love out there for Christie. I don't get why people like politicians who are crude aholes.
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    I cannot understand the love out there for Christie. I don't get why people like politicians who are crude aholes.

    Right. My hate for him isn't because he's a Republican. I don't just blindly hate all Republican candidates. I don't mind Bloomberg most of the time and Guiliani was ok too for the most part. NY isn't my state so I don't know all the ins and outs of their platforms but I know Bloomberg is for marriage equality as a republican.

    But Christie is a belligerent, pompous, crude douchebag. The way he SPEAKS to people! He talks to them like he's a goombah caricature. He called an assemblyman NUMBNUTS. Numbnuts. THAT is who you want to elect as president?? OK, it'll be great when he tries to have a peace talk and calls the ruler of some other nation numbnuts or dillhole. Why not just, "Shut yah face!". Every encounter is totally uncouth and offensive.

  • Christie will veto.  Then a 2/3 vote would be necessary to override it.  What Christie wants is for it to be a constitutional amendment, which means it would have to pass 2 separately elected Legislatures and then a ballot vote.  Since we just entered a new Legislative Session, the earliest it could make it onto the ballot is 2014.

    The reason NJ loved Christie (before he took office) is because he finally did something about the deep corruption in NJ politics.  I think people also like that you know where he stands; he's upfront about it and doesn't waiver (even if he's wrong).  I'd wager there are times when he's changed his mind personally, but wouldn't do it publicly just to save face.

    Personally, I think he's a little too enamored with all the media attention, and actually goes out of his way to be shocking with what he says just because he can (I don't think he was this outspoken when he was a prosecutor)...and I think that makes it difficult to govern by reaching compromises.  But then again, he's never been one to want to compromise, so....

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    I cannot understand the love out there for Christie. I don't get why people like politicians who are crude aholes.

    I hate him with the fire of 1000 suns. Seeing  him on TV fills me with rage. And I'm technically not even a public school teacher anymore. He's a fan of the charter schools but at the charter school convention 2 years ago he basicallly bashed public school teachers and the teacher's union. Ummm...some of us have unions at our charter schools arsehole and many of us were public school teachers first.

    I'm pretty sure it's pronounced your mom's a moron and if you didn't have your name legally changed by the age of 22, so are you. Unless you're from another continent. -Groomz
  • And of course he private schools his kids but that's noneuhyuh business.
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    And of course he private schools his kids but that's noneuhyuh business.

    AT ONE OF THE RITZIEST PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN THE STATE. Please. Don't even get me started. I think if you decide you want to run for public office and you get elected your kids should have to be in the public school system. It's not even like he lives in a town where you'd think he'd need to. He lives in one of the most hoity-toity towns too. I'd be 99% sure the public schools there rival the education his kids get at Delbarton.

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