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Along the Lines of the Stolen Valor Act
Don't you think it would circumvent many of the issues of illegally wearing uniforms and medals if the military restricted sales of the same to military bases or through their own ordering website/catalog?
T just built his ribbon rack online the other night. He literally could have put anything on there and they would have built it and shipped it out no questions asked. At least if you went to Clothing & Sales you could mandate the service member provide the proper paperwork with the list of awards on it and then hand them the correct ribbons/medals.
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Re: Along the Lines of the Stolen Valor Act
Too much overhead - think about how much time would then be spent looking up records, and documents to indicate that someone has a certain award... It might be possible to implement for specific awards (ie: medal of honor), but even that would take additional personnel and training for those personnel.
It would make sense. That's why we don't do it. :P
All kidding aside, for some things they do. I think ordering ribbons/patches is one of the few things that you can do without being approved. Anytime I claim veteran anything, I have to send the verified paperwork. To order stuff through Exchange online or US Standard issue, you have to be approved. And when you get your DA photo, they (should) match your ribbons to what is on your ERB/2-1.
I went to the PX at Fort Hood(I think) and tried to buy an MP patch since mine was all nasty. They wanted a copy of my orders saying I was an MP before they'd sell it to me. I thought that was interesting.
All in all, this comes down to leadership(IMO). One of the Soldiers in my company showed up with a combat patch on and no one in our company knew of him deploying so he was questioned. When it was found out that he never had, he was counseled for improper wear of his uniform. Same thing for awards, I check my Soldiers racks at inspections based off what is on their record. Am I going to spot a guy in the airport in a fake uniform? Maybe not, but I'd bet I'd have a good shot at it.
ETA - And that's also why policies state that if you purchase something from a vendor who is not approved by your designated branch, that it's on you, not the vendor if your stuff is jacked up. And, you have to be careful with commercial ribbons because most of them aren't authorized anyway. At least for Army(AR 670-1 para 29-7).
Interesting. My main experience at Clothing and Sales is picking up things for my husband - sometimes I have more time available than he does, and I'll run errands for him.
I've never had a problem buying ribbons, patches or uniforms for him. And I was, at least for some of those purchases, very obviously not a servicemember myself - morbidly obese, dependent ID... No questions asked.
But, it sounds like there are some measures of protection around certain items (like the MP patch). Interesting. None of DH's patches or ribbons would be of a sort that would likely have that additional protection on buying. In that case, perhaps it would be beneficial to have some protections around some of the more prestigious awards, similar to the pp having to show orders to buy an MP patch. I suspect it could be a relatively short list of items to restrict purchase on.
I've always kind of wondered why they weren't just a little more restrictive about it. Maybe it's too much work for too little gain? Maybe they figure that people who really want to impersonate will get things reproduced on their own anyway?
Having to look up whether a person was awarded a particular ribbon would be way too much work but restricting sales in general to people who can present a military ID or valid veteran's ID (do they give one to vets? If not maybe they should consider it as it might help with other things as well) sounds like it would be okay.
Is that because of the nature of the purchase, or do they card people for every purchase in order to make sure that they're eligible to shop at the BX?