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Location Location Location is it true and if so to what point?

Would love any insite on this idea. I have alway been told the 3 L's are the most important in realestate. Our current neighborhood is very popular and well located with the average sale time being 30 days. Not much goes on the market in this neighborhood and currently there is only one very overpriced home listed. there has been a lot of showing for that home just from what I have personally seen so the price must not put people off much? We have the smallest home in the neighborhood in a sea of 2 stories and ranches we have a split level. I dont know if zillow is considered a good source for values but it has us listed as being worth $168 in a neighborhood with an average of $222. I dont plan to list the home for anything close to that even though it has a lot going for it even in the neighborhood. it is located in one of the only culd-de-sacs. the fully white vinyl 6 foot lattice topped fence ($15,000) covers the oversize back yard that is 1/3 acre. $5000 stainless steel head sprinkler system. It has no neighbors looking in as it is set away from both homes (also not typical) backs up to 400 acres of farm land and sides to government protected land that will never be developed. Because of all this land we have regular sitings of deer, geese, pheasant, owls, hawks, fox, ect. The home is roughly 1700 sqf including the finished lower level.The garage is huge and finished with drywall/ceiling. It has a brand new 30 year roof and granite countertops with a beautiful deep sink and designer faucet. Large master bedroom with tray vault, walk in closet and large full master bath. There is not a shred of carpet in the house as our son had bad allergies when he was a baby and we ripped it all out and installed pergo even on the stairs. People ooh and aww when they see it and say how pretty it is. I admit I will miss it at our new home. We are also located down the street from the only private neighborhood park that connects to the walking trails and tennis courts. Anyway all this was to say the home has a lot going for it but I am not sure I believe the prices in this economy? we would be satisfied to sell it for 140...
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Re: Location Location Location is it true and if so to what point?

  • I don't put much stock in Zillow, there are too many factors that it doesn't factor in. Have you spoken to a real estate agent about pricing your home? That's probably your best bet for getting an accurate price. The fair market value is really what a buyer is willing to pay. Your house sounds like it has a lot going for it so you might be surprised.

    Location is everything because it's the one thing about a house you can NEVER change. School district, the "feel" of the neighborhood, proximity to areas that people need to get to, etc. We saw a house online that was AMAZING and priced around $350K which is very affordable for a 3000+ sq foot four bedroom in our area. It's in a crappy school district though and they can't sell it. That same house in the school district we're looking would easily run over $500K. It's a 10 minute drive between them.

    I would LOVE to back up to open space and the homes that we've seen that do often come at a premium. 

    Don't be fooled by the "buyers market". While a lot of places are still recovering or continuing to have price declines, there are plenty of areas where real estate is doing very well and you might be in one of them. 

  • Forget about Zillow.  You need to talk with a good realtor in your area.
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    Forget about Zillow.  You need to talk with a good realtor in your area.

    This.  We recently sold our house and it sounds very similar yours...smaller at 1500 sqft, one of the smallest in our old neighborhood, 1/3 of an acre and it sold in 4 weeks.  GL, it sounds like you have a great starter home to sell.

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  • I think with what you listed, you will be able to sell on the higher end of the comps in the area.  I don't think you would be able to go any higher then that. 

    I wish Zillow was a good indicator, but it's not.  Our soon to be rental property appraised for way less then what Zillow estimates.

     

  • imageSisugal:
    Forget about Zillow.  You need to talk with a good realtor in your area.

    Totally agree with this. Zillow is very inaccurate. You should contact a REA. 

  • Ditto, talk to a realtor.  I doubt you'll get all the money back for some of those expensive upgrades.  But it should help sell your house more quickly.

    Frankly, DH and I would not even look at split levels.  A good deal of buyers feel that way, and you just have to accept it and know that going in.  Split levels sell in this market for almost $100K below colonials/traditional floor plans.

  • I agree with not paying too much attention to zillow - I've seen the estimates and compared to what houses are actually going for in my area, and they are usually pretty far off.

    As for your location question - yes. It is the biggest factor for us. DH would prefer to live outside the city, myself in. Our compromise is to find a place with a lot of open space right outside. We will definitely pay more to have parks, walking trails, etc. nearby, and prefer not to be completely smashed next to our neighbors. Your house sounds nice - although while I like hard wood floors, I prefer at least a couple carpeted areas so my baby has soft surfaces to fall on as he gets more mobile...but I think for most having those floors would be a plus.

    If you find a good realtor they can suggest a good price.  

  • Sorry to threadjack, but what is it about split levels that people hate so much? The first time we met with you REA he asked us how we felt about them. He said 99% of people either love them or hate them. No in between. Neither of us feel particularly strongly against them or for them. We're totally fine with the idea of a split level home. So what exactly is it that makes people so opposed to them?
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  • Sorry to threadjack, but what is it about split levels that people hate so much? The first time we met with our REA he asked us how we felt about them. He said 99% of people either love them or hate them. No in between. Neither of us feel particularly strongly against them or for them. We're totally fine with the idea of a split level home. So what exactly is it that makes people so opposed to them?
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  • imagenhahn2206:
    Sorry to threadjack, but what is it about split levels that people hate so much? The first time we met with our REA he asked us how we felt about them. He said 99% of people either love them or hate them. No in between. Neither of us feel particularly strongly against them or for them. We're totally fine with the idea of a split level home. So what exactly is it that makes people so opposed to them?

    I don't really care for them. They're usually smaller than what we want and I can't really pinpoint exactly what else that I don't like about them, but it is my least favorite layout. 

  • imagenhahn2206:
    Sorry to threadjack, but what is it about split levels that people hate so much? The first time we met with our REA he asked us how we felt about them. He said 99% of people either love them or hate them. No in between. Neither of us feel particularly strongly against them or for them. We're totally fine with the idea of a split level home. So what exactly is it that makes people so opposed to them?

    We're considering one now because of the price and potential, but normally we aren't crazy about them. They can just go wrong in so many ways. We saw one the other day that was like a maze. They also feel kind of small and don't have the "flow" and openness that are in right now. 

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    imagenhahn2206:
    Sorry to threadjack, but what is it about split levels that people hate so much? The first time we met with our REA he asked us how we felt about them. He said 99% of people either love them or hate them. No in between. Neither of us feel particularly strongly against them or for them. We're totally fine with the idea of a split level home. So what exactly is it that makes people so opposed to them?

    We're considering one now because of the price and potential, but normally we aren't crazy about them. They can just go wrong in so many ways. We saw one the other day that was like a maze. They also feel kind of small and don't have the "flow" and openness that are in right now. 

    I think you have to keep in mind that there are different kinds of splits - they are not all the same floor plan. We saw some that just felt totally claustrophic, the lower level had low ceilings, upper level was basically in the main level, etc.

    We close on a house in a week that is technically a split tri level with sub basement, but the floor plan is way different. Vaulted ceiling and open (once we knock out a wall) LR, DR, and kitchen. All the bedrooms are down a long hallway and feel separate from the main living area. The only big downside is we just have a partial basement.

    Anyways, I think it's always good to see what your options are before crossing any one style off your list. I knew I didn't like raised ranches but I sitll went to see one before confirming that decision :)

  • thank you so much for all the ideas. ours is a very simple open floor plan with vaulted ceilings in the dining, living kitchen and entry the rest of the home has 10 foot ceilings and the lower level has 9ft so you never feel closed in even with the small space. It is a typical split entry so you walk into stairs going up and stairs going down. When I bought it I was not a fan of split levels but I really really wanted to be in this specific neighborhood. Our new house is across the street lol so that should tell you how much we dont want to leave it :) The average selling price for the neighborhood itself is $222 while for the zip its $298. I have asked our buyers agent what she would list if for and she doesnt seem to have much of an answer. She said this would be a very difficult house to price because there are no recent comps to compare it to. the few split entry plans that are in the neighborhood people just dont sell. She said that with everything it has going for it neighborhood, location, ect. Its not an easy house to price and she wouldnt want to underlist it which didnt give me much of an answer. We arent trying to make a killing on this home infact we pretty much plan on losing money because of the economy but would love to break even. Like I had said we would be fine with 140 the tax accessor has it valued at 132 which is not much to go by either. It is the perfect size for a young family or couple who plan on having 2 kids. We just had our second and want two more so we knew for the long term this home is not going to work now. Let me just say you guys are wonderful :) I really appreciate hearing other people thoughts on this stuff.
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  • Our big problems with split levels are they don't have a good option for storage.  Usually the "downstairs" houses a family room, maybe another office or bedroom, and then the HVAC and plumbing stuff.  There is no good place to store stuff (like off-season clothes, holiday decorations, outdoor gear, etc.).
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  • Growing up, plenty of my friends lived in split levels, so I've seen a number of layouts. I don't like them.

    Every split level I've seen has had a bunch of steps leading to the front door. We get a lot of ice and freezing rain where I live, and that just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

     Also, I don't like how most of the layouts I've seen have such a small entry area. Once you get through the door, you're forced to immediately go either up or down stairs. 

     The only one I've liked is my aunt's. The main floor has the kitchen, living room and dining room. The lower level has the garage, half bath and family room, and the upper level has the bedrooms and two bathrooms. 

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  • I hate to be the debbie downer, but while location can't change, it doesn't mean the area won't change. For example, my DH grew up in a very affluent area. It is no longer the area it use to be. Housing prices have dropped dramatically, and the school district went from being top 25 in the state to being rated 187. There is more crime than ever and this all happened within the last five to six years. That's why I don't necessarily believe in the 3 L's. A home is still an investment, but like any gamble you can make money or you could even lose money. 
  • I think all of that makes sense. I guess most of the ones we've seen have been pretty open floor plans, typically with a kitchen that looks down into the family room. I guess I didn't realize how many other layouts there were. Thanks for the responses!

     OP, it doesn't sound like you're getting much help in the way of price listing. If I were you, I'd go ahead and list for maybe ten thousand above your break even point and see what happens from there. Maybe you'll get lucky! 

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  • Yes, the first three rules of Real Estate have always been, and will always be, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION! :) It sounds like you are in a great location and have a lot of amenities in your home. If you are considering selling, talk with a local Realtor about the local market and prices.

    No, Zillow is not a reliable source in my opinion. A local Realtor would be able to give you a great deal of insight into the true market values.

    Why does location matter? And to what point? Well, a 1700 SF home on a 1/4 acre lot in my market (Silicon Valley), with the amenities you mentioned, would be listed for $1.6m and may sell for $1.8m. A few towns to south (20 mins away) you could find a 1700 SF for $700k because the schools aren't as good etc. So yes, location is everything.

    Hope this helps. Best of luck!

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