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Re: What say you MN?

  • incredibly so. I audibly made and "uhhhhg" noise when I scrolled down.
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  • Yes. [insert bug-eyed face]
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  • I would have liked to attended the meeting where they all agreed this was a good idea. Ay yi yi!
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  • Ew. I would've just rolled my eyes and carried on with my day if it was just Obama's campaign logo on a flag but this really gets under my skin.
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  • It's kind of gross, and I'm a hardcore Obama lover.
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    Ew. I would've just rolled my eyes and carried on with my day if it was just Obama's campaign logo on a flag but this really gets under my skin.

    Yep. I totally agree. 

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  • It's....weird.....is what that is. Just weird.
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  • imagemargotmacomber:
    It's kind of gross, and I'm a hardcore Obama lover.

    I'm here. I don't like any alteration of the American flag though. Native American, gay pride, giant W, Obama head, whatever. Leave it alone and get off my lawn. 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • Couldn't they have chosen a more flattering picture of him? I mean he smiles all the time! Did they have to choose the frowny face picture, or is that supposed to be symbolic? 
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  • Can't bring myself to care.  Tacky, sure, but I wouldn't give it a second glance.
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  • imageSibil:
    Can't bring myself to care.  Tacky, sure, but I wouldn't give it a second glance.

    This is pretty much my feelings exactly. 

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    I can't get angry about this sort of thing. 

    My philosophy 101 (lol) class kind of made me "meh" toward this. It's a symbol that doesn't actually change anything about America, so while it's probably tacky, I'm very whatever about it.  

    And it's my Nietzsche class that made me care, lol! It's a symbol (like the EGA) that means something to people, me included. Granted, I'm not going to get actually angry about it, but I certainly don't care for it. 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
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    I can't get angry about this sort of thing. 

    My philosophy 101 (lol) class kind of made me "meh" toward this. It's a symbol that doesn't actually change anything about America, so while it's probably tacky, I'm very whatever about it.  

    And it's my Nietzsche class that made me care, lol! It's a symbol (like the EGA) that means something to people, me included. Granted, I'm not going to get actually angry about it, but I certainly don't care for it. 

    Yeah, but whatever someone else does to an EGA or a flag or whatever symbol doesn't effect YOUR view of it, right? Nor does it change what it actually stands for when someone else does something stupid to it. 

    Yay! I paid attention in college! Proof! ^ 

    But the idea that symbols don't matter simply isn't true. And what someone does to an important symbol can affect it.

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     ETA: And before anyone goes all AmyJustin on me, I am not comparing the above Obama face flag to a Nazi flag. 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • Is it just me or does the angle almost make it look like Obama is giving a side eye to whoever put him on that flag?
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  • imageKiller Cupcake:

    I never said that symbols don't matter. I said that what someone does to a flag doesn't effect what it stands for nor how you feel about it. 

    The Nazis adopted an originally religious symbol for their purposes. It doesn't alter the meaning of it in Hindu religion, or the other uses of it. It may stigmatize it, but it doesn't change what it's about for those who use it who aren't Nazis. 

    Most Hindus I know don't use the symbol anymore.  

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
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    I never said that symbols don't matter. I said that what someone does to a flag doesn't effect what it stands for nor how you feel about it. 

    The Nazis adopted an originally religious symbol for their purposes. It doesn't alter the meaning of it in Hindu religion, or the other uses of it. It may stigmatize it, but it doesn't change what it's about for those who use it who aren't Nazis. 

    Most Hindus I know don't use the symbol anymore.  

    I'm assuming it's because they're in America and most people don't know that the swastika didn't start with the Nazis and it's got a stigma, not because it's any less sacred.  

    But don't you think Hindus were/are offended by the use?

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    I personally believe that it's for the worse generally when people adopt sacred (religiously, societally, or culturally sacred) images or symbols to further beliefs that are separate from that symbol. And though I am a Christian who believes in evolution (which is what the Darwin fish represented to me ), I recognize that it can be offensive to Christians who are more conservative than I am theologically. So it doesn't further my "cause" which is that it's okay to be a Christian who believes in evolution. Just like it doesn't further my cause to elect the president to another term by making him look like a narcissist. 

    It's the same as my argument against flag burning. I don't think these sorts of displays of free speech should be illegal, I just think it's imprudent to not realize this will offend people. 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
  • But the fact that I don't think it should be illegal =/= not being offended by it. That's where the Nietzsche stuff steps in. Societal standards and all that, that you don't codify, because that ends up taking Nietzsche where Hitler took him, but I think an okay societal standard is that you don't mess with the American flag. The story I posted the other day about the guy who burned the VFW flag? That really, really bothered me. That flag flew over a FOB in Afghanistan/Iraq that people didn't make it off of. That flag symbolizes them, so altering it, burning it, whatever is offensive. No, it doesn't change what it means to me, but it still offends me.

    ETA: It's like how you and I get offended when people out in town (like that broad at the LV mall) wear MARPAT. It's not illegal, it's just gross and judgeworthy. 

    I've seen a lot of military surprise homecomings. It wouldn't work on me. I always have my back to the corner and my face to the door. Looking for terrorists, criminals, various other threats, and husbands.
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