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Now there's a surprise

 
 
03-18-2012 at 3:37 PM
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It's two weeks before the wedding, and I'm having second thoughts.

My mom and I have been through a lot together, where it's been us vs. "them" during her divorce, my dad dying, etc. starting from when I was in high school. We are very close, to the point where even she says that I am too close to her sometimes. She has been nothing but supportive my entire life, and I consider her my best friend.

DH and I have been dating for four years and were friends before that. We got engaged late last year and already got married in a civil ceremony in January (we wanted to have my name change and some paperwork done quickly for various reasons -- like going on an overseas honeymoon). We have a big ceremony and reception coming up very soon with 200+ guests.

DH's family is very money-oriented. They don't really have very positive relationships with each other. My mom has always looked down on people who care a lot about pursuing money (over other things). 

My mom gave her blessing when DH asked before proposing to me. She expressed some reservations to me about his family, but ultimately she said that she trusted that I would pick someone right and good, and that she supported me. This has been pretty typical of her with other relationships/boyfriends that I've had in the past -- no passing judgments, just supporting me if I say they make me happy.

Soon after our engagement, DH and I had a conversation during which he expressed strong concern/criticism that my mom isn't currently working and is living off of her savings. He said that he doesn't like the way she spends her money -- she saves money on some things but makes a lot of impulse buys as well. He was very judgmental, and it hurt me to hear what he was saying. I ended up talking to my mom about it, and she was furious. DH ended up apologizing to her in person for judging her, but deep down I think he still harbors the same thoughts.

Since then, my mom and DH have had consistent problems. DH is emotionally disengaged and doesn't seem to have any interest in developing a relationship with my mom. My mom seems to be really trying to engage him and develop a relationship with DH, but deep down she just doesn't like him or his family.

Complicating the matter is that DH is in real estate, and my mom is currently looking to purchase a new property. She was trying to use him as her agent since he's her new son-in-law, even though she has other friends who are also agents and would love to help her. DH has been very flaky in meeting with her and doing the work for her, and that offends my mom to no end; she feels that he doesn't like her, doesn't want to work with her, is blowing her off on purpose.

And to be honest, DH doesn't like my mom. He's never come straight out and said it like that, but he's said that he thinks that she's irresponsible for not working and that he doesn't like that she breaks promises and doesn't finish projects that she starts  (which is true, but kind of none of his business).

About a month ago, my mom found a property about an hour away that she said she wanted to move to, leaving our current home as a rental. She went through all the motions of purchasing it through him, etc etc. And then she and I had a big fight about DH and some other things, and she cancelled the purchase at the last minute, saying that she had been motivated to move out of the area to "escape" being treated poorly by myself and DH in the future, and that she didn't want to run away. DH had to find a way to back out of the contract without incurring penalties.

My mom decided to purchase a rental property locally instead (and remain living in our current home), and this past week, she met with DH to arrange to look at a few properties yesterday. My mom forgot what time they were supposed to meet, and when she called him to find out, he said that he hadn't had time to look up the properties and that he didn't have time that day to go and physically look at properties. He later told me that he thought the meeting was to go over a couple dozen properties on paper. She thought the meeting was to physically go.

Anyway, that was the last straw for my mom, and she says that the way he treats her is a good indication of how he'll treat me in the future. She opposes the marriage, took back her blessing, and says we should just dissolve the marriage. She is insistent that he will NOT be a good husband. She says that if I'm confident that DH's behavior were just mistakes and not malicious/intentional, then I should dissolve the marriage, and then wait a year to see if his behavior changes at all.

I'm at a total loss. I trust my mom to have my best interests at heart. I love DH, and I think we are very compatible. We disagree on some values that we've inherited from our parents, but we have so far tried to work things out by talking about them. We lived together for about 6 months while my mom was overseas, and we were very happy together. But, it's a big problem to me that the two of them don't get along. I feel like if this were someone else's story, I would tell them to cut their losses and move on, but I don't want to. I want to be loyal to my newly-formed family with DH, but it breaks my heart to hurt my mom or see her hurt by him.
 
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03-18-2012 at 3:47 PM
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You need to move out on your own.

Your DH sounds like an azz and your mom sounds controlling and you need to experience life on your own.

 
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I don't think OP lives with her mom. Honestly, I just started skimming once I realized they were already married and her Pretend Pretty Princess Day is in two weeks.

All I got was OP's DH thinks his MIL is irresponsible, which OP kind of agrees with, but MIL thinks SIL is a big meanie for thinking she's irresponsible and therefore OP should consider divorce, and OP is actually considering it because she has no spine and lets mommy make all of her decisions for her.


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03-18-2012 at 4:21 PM
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Wow.

First of all, why would you tell your mom what your DH said about her? I would have been pissed if I was your DH. That is a total violation of privacy, unless you asked him first if you could share that with her.  It was also just a really bad idea - how could she not hate him after that?

Second, never ever ever ever ever use a friend or family member as a real estate agent. I thought it was common sense, but maybe your mom has learned her lesson?  Real estate is a major business transaction - not a good idea to involve friends and family.

These things have happened already, so hopefully you and your mother have both learned lessons from them.  

Honestly, it sounds like most of the issues and problems were caused, or exacerbated, by you and/or your mom.  If it were me, I would not get divorced because of these issues, if you love your DH.  At the same time, your DH should be willing to make an effort with the relationship with your mother, but maybe he needs to hear that you understand that some of the fault has been yours and your mom's, and he's not the bad guy.

GL. 

 
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Also, BTW, you keep talking as if he isn't your husband yet and using the word "dissolve".  The word you are looking for is "divorce".  You said you are already married.  He is your husband - you made the commitment, whether or not you had a white dress on.  If you want to end it, you get divorced.  This is not a trial period.
 
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I don't think OP lives with her mom. Honestly, I just started skimming once I realized they were already married and her Pretend Pretty Princess Day is in two weeks.

All I got was OP's DH thinks his MIL is irresponsible, which OP kind of agrees with, but MIL thinks SIL is a big meanie for thinking she's irresponsible and therefore OP should consider divorce, and OP is actually considering it because she has no spine and lets mommy make all of her decisions for her.

 

 

She keeps referencing "our current home" in regards to her mom moving.

 

I kind of feel like she's letting everyone else tell her how to feel.

 
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Wow.

First of all, why would you tell your mom what your DH said about her? I would have been pissed if I was your DH. That is a total violation of privacy, unless you asked him first if you could share that with her.  It was also just a really bad idea - how could she not hate him after that?

Second, never ever ever ever ever use a friend or family member as a real estate agent. I thought it was common sense, but maybe your mom has learned her lesson?  Real estate is a major business transaction - not a good idea to involve friends and family.

 

I can't say it any better than this.  Why did you tell your mom?  Why are 200 plus people going to a wedding when a civil ceremony already happened?

These things have happened already, so hopefully you and your mother have both learned lessons from them.  

Honestly, it sounds like most of the issues and problems were caused, or exacerbated, by you and/or your mom.  If it were me, I would not get divorced because of these issues, if you love your DH.  At the same time, your DH should be willing to make an effort with the relationship with your mother, but maybe he needs to hear that you understand that some of the fault has been yours and your mom's, and he's not the bad guy.

GL. 

 
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Your DH and mom need to stay out of each others' financial affairs.  That solves it.

If she isn't working but is doing okay and paying her bills, then that's her business.  DH obviously doesn't want to be her realtor but hasn't been man enough to admit it.

Always keep family and money separate.  And don't tell your mom or DH what the other says about them. 


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I agree with your DH that it's poor financial planning to burn through your savings to live day-to-day. Sorry if that touches a nerve for your mother. As for his poor real estate skills- then your mom shouldn't use him as an agent. It seems a bit of a stretch that because he doesn't like her or doesn't want to get jerked around with these properties that you should divorce him or not do the vowel renewel in 2 weeks.

And I find it beyond weird that you would divorce him because your mom said so because a few meetings with her went sour.


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03-18-2012 at 5:19 PM
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WTF? Your DH told you his opinion of your mom's finances in confidence and you went and squealed to her? 

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Your real problems here are the fact that your HUSBAND came to you in confidence and you went back and told mommy.

Seriously you have to cut cord and realize you are MARRIED now. Mommy can't tell you to get married, get divorced, etc. If you want to stay with your husband then do it. Tell your mom and husband I think the two of you working together is a complete mistake and you'd rather they didn't. Then tell your mother that you love your husband and you are not leaving him because of issues she has with him. Then stop running and telling your mom everything that your husband says before your husband gets so sick of you blabbing he begins to hide things from you..


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This reminds me a little of some things that I've gone through, so here's my long, detailed response: 

Do not divorce your DH just because your mom doesn't like him. Yes, parents' opinions are important, but you guys are already married, and no one seemed to think DH was a poor choice when you got engaged. It sounds like your mom is hurt (and frankly, a bit too sensitive) and she's telling you to "dissolve" your marriage over something kind of silly. 

It's okay for your DH not to like your mom. It sounds like she's just not his cup of tea. I might know how he feels, since I don't particularly like my FIL (i've posted about that here before). It's nothing serious, but he just isn't my type of person, and he does some things that I don't like or respect. I'm sure FIL would be very hurt if he found out exactly how I feel--which is why DH and I will never tell him. And my feelings certainly don't mean I'm a bad wife to DH, or even a bad DIL. I never want to make things difficult for my DH or our future children, and I also do appreciate the fact that my FIL is generally a good man who has the best intentions. I am learning to appreciate him for who he is, and I try to make effort with him where I can. I don't expect to be super close with him (and i've point-blank told DH this) but I can still make an effort to at least keep the peace in the family. And this is what your DH needs to do--but with support from you.

Accept  that your DH and your mom will never be super close. That's okay...they don't have to be. If your DH should complain to you about your mom, don't don't DON'T tell her what he is saying. It will do nothing but cause pain and anger on both sides. Let your DH vent to you a little, but if you are uncomfortable with what he's saying, just tell him that you don't want to hear it. Or say, "I understand how you feel, but my mom is an adult and can make her own choices." Or, "I understand how you feel, but my mom has many great qualities, too." But again, whatever you do, don't spread the things he says around to anyone, especially not your mom.

Obviously, you shouldn't tolerate your H being out and out rude to your mom, but he's allowed to have his opinions.Tell DH that you don't need him to be best friends with your mom, but that you hope, for your sake, that he can at least learn to get along with her and appreciate her for what she is. If he's a good man who resects you and cares about your marriage, he should be willing to at least keep up the semblance of a decent relationship with her, since that really isn't too much to ask. And if he's willing to do that, accept it, and don't waste any time feeling bad that he doesn't like everything about your mom. 

As for your mom, tell her very clearly that you are already married, and that you are a grown woman who can make her own decisions. Tell her that you suspect she's reacting out of anger, which is understandable, but that doesn't mean you're going to get a divorce for crying out loud. Tell her that this is a bit of an adjustment period and these things take time, so you hope that she can be patient until things settle down a bit. You can tell her the same thing you're telling your H...they two don't need to be best friends, but for your sake, you'd appreciate if they can find a way to get a long. 

Also, if you are indeed living with your mom, it's time to get out of there.

To me, this whole thing seems like some fairly minor stuff that got way too out of control. Once all three of you learn how to manage this a little better, I think you'll find everything will work itself out. 


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I don't think OP lives with her mom. Honestly, I just started skimming once I realized they were already married and her Pretend Pretty Princess Day is in two weeks.

All I got was OP's DH thinks his MIL is irresponsible, which OP kind of agrees with, but MIL thinks SIL is a big meanie for thinking she's irresponsible and therefore OP should consider divorce, and OP is actually considering it because she has no spine and lets mommy make all of her decisions for her.

 

 

She keeps referencing "our current home" in regards to her mom moving.

I kind of feel like she's letting everyone else tell her how to feel.

 

 

Based on everything else she's written, I'm reading "our current home" as the home her mother lives in that she (OP) still considers home. As in, she doesn't think of where she lives with her husband to be her home -- she still thinks of where mommy lives to be her home.

In any event, we need some clarification.


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  • Eh, who cares.  She got advice, she's probably thinking about how to handle things in the future, and got what she needed out of it.  Good luck to her.
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  • That is in-f*cking-sane.  They're already freaking MARRIED, but since their families are traditional, they're still living separately with their respective parents?!  Who in the hell has a family whose tradition is that married couples continue living with their parents, separately?!
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  • If the OPs mother has enough money to live off of her savings for the rest of her life, that's great. But if not, I think the OPs H was correct to question it--he is probably concerned that down the road he will be expected to support her.

    Also, the MIL backing out of the real estate deal at the last second is something that really could have hurt him professionally.  

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