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03-21-2012 at 12:37 PM
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I'm looking for some advice on how to get along better with my mother in law and how to keep my problems with her from damaging my marriage. My husband and I have been married for a year and a half, and although it is better than when we first got married, there are still a lot of things that stress me out.

 

My mother in law and I have always had difficulties getting along. She is a very public person; she likes to tell her family everything, while I?m more private and like to keep things to myself. She has no daughters, and it?s like she?s trying too hard to make me her long lost daughter, and she gets very defensive every time my mother and I spend time together. She expects her sons and her husband to do everything for her, yet she doesn?t help with the things she?s asking of them. I?m very hands on and independent, so it?s hard for me to respect a woman who gives orders to ?landscape the backyard? but doesn?t help, who just takes pictures and barks orders.

 

She hardly speaks to her mother in law. We never spend holidays with my father in law?s family and we hardly ever see them. She expects me to manage my time evenly between my family and my husbands but she doesn?t set a good example of what she wants. She is so far from the daughter in law that she wants me to be that I have a hard time wanting to try if she doesn?t have to.

 

She?s always had a hand in every part of her son?s life. She made all of his doctors appointments, managed her son?s company, and was on all of her son?s bank accounts, loans, and vehicles until we got married (he was 24). It?s been very hard for her to let go of him and trust me to take care of him, which I expected at first, but as I?ve been successful at managing a family for a year and half, I expected her to cut me some slack.

 

She still tries to manage our schedule. Instead of suggesting ?the family is getting together this weekend? or ?your husband?s grandparents are bringing lunch down this weekend?, she tells us ?you should really come have lunch with your grandparents this weekend? or ?you should really come tonight and see your family once in a while?. She puts a guilt trip on my husband and it always works and leaves me feeling unimportant and like I don?t have a say in my own life. I didn?t get married to have someone tell me what I need to do during my free time or interrogate me about what I did all weekend.

 

Long story short we live 3 hours from my parents, 30 min from his. We see my parents once a month and I work with his mother so I see her almost every day. She calls us in the evenings and wants to get together every other weekend or so. I get very bitter when I come home and she calls us to "see how our day was" or "see what we're up to tonight" because I see her everyday and all I want is a break. All I want is a few hours a night with my husband when we?ve been working all day, and then I feel like she?s taking my precious minutes when she calls ten minutes after I get home. I tried explaining this to my husband that a break is healthy for every relationship especially one that has been damaged, but he doesn?t understand the severity of our day to day interaction and truly frequent it is.

 

I?ve tried talking to her, asking her not to bring our personal relationship to work, that way we can have a relationship on the weeknights and weekends, since that is more normal and that would give me more of a break. She gets very pouty when I ask things of her, and she was distant at work for 2 weeks while she?s pouting and now she?s back to her same old self. I know that I make a big deal out of the little things, and I?ve been holding a grudge for 4 years, so everything rubs me the wrong way, but I don?t know where to go from here. My husband is exhausted from always talking about this and trying to fix it and he gets to the point where he looses interest and doesn?t want to work on it anymore and then I am left to fight the battle alone. He is a peacemaker and it?s more work to get him to talk to her than it is for me to just talk to her myself, but it?s like she doesn?t respect it coming from me.

 

She?s gaining another daughter in law this year that I personally get along with great. She?s a very sweet girl, but she?s completely different than me. She lets my mother in law have a hand in everything: planning the wedding, apartment hunting, and sharing her schedule with her. It makes me look like the bad daughter in law because I chose not to include her in those things. Like I said, I?m a very private person, and I?m very independent. I let her be a part of a few things and she constantly pushed for more, so I stopped. The old saying ?give her an inch and she?ll take a mile? is my mother in law to a T. If we ask her opinion on a paint color she?ll tell me how to arrange my whole living room. If we tell her a few stories of what we did during the weekend or what we?re going to do for a vacation, she tells her whole family and then calls us when we?re doing these things so that she feels like she?s a part of them.

 

Help please! I?m a stressful person by nature, and I don?t want to be. I always envisioned an easy relationship with my mother in law, but it?s truthfully harder than my marriage. We want to have kids in the next couple of years, but if we don?t fix this trouble with my mother in law now I don?t see how it?s ever going to get better. I?ve considered quitting my job so that we don?t see each other everyday, but I love my job and I?m scheduled to receive a raise. I?ve considered moving right smack in the middle of both of our parents so that my husband understands what I?m going through, but we love our place and we love our friends and jobs where we live. I am open to suggestions!!! Thanks  

 
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Husband problem, not MIL problem. 

You knew about this before you married:

She?s always had a hand in every part of her son?s life. She made all of his doctors appointments, managed her son?s company, and was on all of her son?s bank accounts, loans, and vehicles until we got married (he was 24). It?s been very hard for her to let go of him and trust me to take care of him, which I expected at first, but as I?ve been successful at managing a family for a year and half, I expected her to cut me some slack.

And when you found out, honey, boy --- but wow, you should have taken off, leaving flaming skid marks.

You got yourself a wussy little mama's boy.

I don't see any miracle cure here, nor any magical transformation that will take place.

Be prepared now to take a back seat forever and be prepared for your H to never take your side, stand up for you or defend you in front of his mother to his mother. Not gonna  happen.

 

He's not a "peacemaker." He won't stand with you as a couple...because when you get married, you and your spouse are THE FAMILY.

My only suggestion: tell him that he defends you as of now or you're out of there. And then stand behind your ultimatum.

 
03-21-2012 at 12:52 PM
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She calls us in the evenings and wants to get together every other weekend or so. I get very bitter when I come home and she calls us to "see how our day was" or "see what we're up to tonight" because I see her everyday and all I want is a break. All I want is a few hours a night with my husband when we?ve been working all day, and then I feel like she?s taking my precious minutes when she calls ten minutes after I get home.  

Don't answer the phone when she calls you at home.

I?ve tried talking to her, asking her not to bring our personal relationship to work, that way we can have a relationship on the weeknights and weekends, since that is more normal and that would give me more of a break.

If she brings up personal matters at work, ignore her or walk away.

If we tell her a few stories of what we did during the weekend or what we?re going to do for a vacation, she tells her whole family and then calls us when we?re doing these things so that she feels like she?s a part of them.

She won't tell everyone your business if you don't tell her to start off with.

I think your issues with her are not as bad as you seem to make them if you wouldn't let shittt bother you so much. So what if she pouts at work? She's the one that looks like an idiot.

She will only have as much power/control as you allow her to have.

 


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03-21-2012 at 1:15 PM
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I think your issues with her are not as bad as you seem to make them if you wouldn't let shittt bother you so much. So what if she pouts at work? She's the one that looks like an idiot.

She will only have as much power/control as you allow her to have.

You missed the rest of her post --- as I said, this is an H problem, not a MIL problem.

Her H is the idiot. His mother did everything for him; did she think she was getting a real prize? He can't function independently as an adult --- and he won't stand up for her; a guy who's not mature enough to stand up to his parents is not mature enough to get married.

The OP should have been out of there once she saw that her bf was not a grown up adult capable of handling his own affairs.  I am guessing she said to herself "oh the problem is not that bad" or "When we get married, things will be different..."  No and No.

To the OP: I will bet the waterfront that his mother is still handling all of his business affairs and is doing everything for him still.  You must be a moron yourself to tolerate this; please don't tell me you think this is okay for her to control all of his affairs.

 
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I actually don't think this is an H problem.  I think this is a YOU problem, and you have the power to change it!

Set boundries.  Both with your MIL and your husband in relation to his mom.

If you walk in the door and MIL calls, tell DH that dinner will be ready in 20 minutes, but he is free to talk with his mom.  You don't need to, because you spent all day with her.  If he tells you "oh, my mom wants to talk to you." let him know you are busy, and you don't have time / aren't interested.

Stop worrying about what she thinks of you, whether or not she'll like the other DIL better, if she will pout at work.  Unless you can't get your work done, it shouldn't matter to you if she pouts.  She is the one that looks like an arse, not you.  Be pleasant and say good morning, but don't try and chat with her.  Enjoy your freedom if she is "not talking to you" - and don't try to make everything better.

If your MIL says "It would be nice for you to visit grandma and grandpa" ignore her.  If you feel you should be visiting, then make plans (no need to include MIL) for a visit.  If you just saw them recently, just say "oh, it is always nice to see grandma and grandpa" and don't committ to any dates.  Ditto lunch or dinner or family events.  She can make an invite, you don't have to go.  And you can send your H without you. 

If she wants your H to do her landscaping, tell him "have fun, just remember we have projects that need to be done, so you you need to be finished by 3 pm" and let him spend all day with his mom - ALONE.  You don't need to come along and be aggrivated.  If she complains that you aren't there - tell her you have chores at home.

And if you want something to be private - DON'T TELL MIL!!!  You can't force your H to be tight-lipped, but she doesn't need to learn about things from you. 


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I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

I was expecting constructive critisism, not insults. If you had read in my post, I noted that she did all of those things BEFORE we were married. I put a stop to it during the engagement, believe me. I was just trying to give insight to some of the problems I'm having with her based on her control before my husband and I got together. You make it seem like it's so easy to walk away from a marraige and a relationship. Sometimes things just take a little extra work and I'm prepared to do that for my husband!

 
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imagekkcountry7:

I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

I was expecting constructive critisism, not insults. If you had read in my post, I noted that she did all of those things BEFORE we were married. I put a stop to it during the engagement, believe me. I was just trying to give insight to some of the problems I'm having with her based on her control before my husband and I got together. You make it seem like it's so easy to walk away from a marraige and a relationship. Sometimes things just take a little extra work and I'm prepared to do that for my husband!

 

 

Well, then you got what you signed up for it. I hope he really is worth it.

 

And I can't see why anyone would want to spend THAT MUCH time with you.

 
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imagekkcountry7:

I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

I was expecting constructive critisism, not insults. If you had read in my post, I noted that she did all of those things BEFORE we were married. I put a stop to it during the engagement, believe me. I was just trying to give insight to some of the problems I'm having with her based on her control before my husband and I got together. You make it seem like it's so easy to walk away from a marraige and a relationship. Sometimes things just take a little extra work and I'm prepared to do that for my husband!

 

 

Well, then you got what you signed up for it. I hope he really is worth it.

 

And I can't see why anyone would want to spend THAT MUCH time with you.

 
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imagekkcountry7:

I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

I was expecting constructive critisism, not insults. If you had read in my post, I noted that she did all of those things BEFORE we were married. I put a stop to it during the engagement, believe me. I was just trying to give insight to some of the problems I'm having with her based on her control before my husband and I got together. You make it seem like it's so easy to walk away from a marraige and a relationship. Sometimes things just take a little extra work and I'm prepared to do that for my husband!

 

Um.... what has changed?  Your entire post is "I I I I".  I see no "we" in it, anywhere.  You're in this alone.  Your DH either doesn't see the problem or doesn't care to deal with it, so he leaves you to hang in the wind by yourself. 

 

And seriously.... do you really think "love conquers all"?  If so, you're delusional.  It's great that you love him, but there are some MAJOR issues at play here, and they largely seem to entail you being in this by yourself.  As in you and DH are NOT on the same page....

One other note- why do you need to 'take care' of himin her place?  Is he not a grown adult who can take care of himself?

Keep your head in the sand if you want - but seriously, if he needs you to take care of him, when you have kids, you'll always have HIM as a child too.  he won't be taking on his fair share as a parent. He'll just be one more child you have to take care of.

But if you want to believe "but I love him" is enough... good luck to you. 


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imagekkcountry7:

 I noted that she did all of those things BEFORE we were married. I put a stop to it during the engagement, believe me.

Sometimes things just take a little extra work and I'm prepared to do that for my husband!

 

 

You sound just as controlling as his mother. If "you" put a stop to it during the engagement, why are you here complaining about the same stuff? Why would YOU need to put a stop to this behavior? You have no control over her or her husband, but rather your own actions and how you REACT to her actions.

Also if you think you're the one who's going to do all the work FOR your husband, you're in for a very long marriage filled with you doing the work.

 
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imagekkcountry7:

I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

 

 

You did NOT just post this!  You did not type this out and not realize how fooking ridiculous you sound.  I just wont accept that! 


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imageEastCoastBride:
One other note- why do you need to 'take care' of himin her place?  Is he not a grown adult who can take care of himself?

 

Ohh I was going to point this out as well. When I read it, it was very strange to me that she was going to "take care" of her husband and had been "managing" the family fine.

Interesting how a grown man either needs a mother or a wife to take care of him and can't take care of himself.

Re: kkcountry7 you dropped something

  • I will never understand how woman are attracted to much less marry men that can not function on their own.  Ironic since she was judging her MIL for the same thing. 
  • I appreciate your advice TarponMonoxide, however you forgot one key point in all of your posts... maybe my husband was worth it. Maybe I love him so much for his good points that this one bad part was worth it. Perhaps you haven't felt that love, but that is enough to make you fight for anything.

     Love don't conquer all -- and this "one bad part" to me would be he's a little too into football on Sundays, he leaves the toilet seat up constantly or he doesn't refill your car with gas when he borrows it.

    This one bad part will be the demise of your marriage.

    Don't bring kids into this mess; you're already in a dysfunctional marriage and the kid will see that you're a doormat and that it is fine to treat you that way.

  • Thanks doglove. I'm glad you have nothing better to do than recreate the posts people try to get rid of. I thought this was a safe, supportive community to ask questions and get advice. I'm prepared for people to not agree with the way I do things, but it is a waste of my time to sit here and watch people attack my beliefs. You have fun with your post... I'm glad I gave you something to do the rest of the day.
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    Thanks doglove. I'm glad you have nothing better to do than recreate the posts people try to get rid of. I thought this was a safe, supportive community to ask questions and get advice. I'm prepared for people to not agree with the way I do things, but it is a waste of my time to sit here and watch people attack my beliefs. You have fun with your post... I'm glad I gave you something to do the rest of the day.


    Jam the word "attack."

    Ever notice when somebody's just a litttle too touchy about hearing the truth, they're "attacked" by the truth tellers???

    Don't delete, kk country7.

    It's childish, it's vulgar and somebody will only repost it anyway, so you still look like the ass for posting it.

    You got the truth and nothing but -- you're in a world of trouble. Nowhere is it "WE", it's "I" all the way accross the board.
  • This isn't a "safe" place for you to express your "beliefs" if you want people to be honest with you. You came here, posted your problem and we told it like we saw it. You just weren't prepared to hear that.

    You wanted us to say, Oh yeah your MIL sux. And when you didn't get it, you DD'ed.

    This is a forum where a lot of people lurk and don't post. They have similar problems and want help and read through these posts with the advice that a lot of ladies take the time to post on here. When you DD, you're wasting everyone's time - including your own.

    I'd say it's time for you to get real with yourself and your situation. Otherwise you'll be stuck in it for a long, long time.

  • I didn't expect people to say "you are right your mother in law is horrible". I expected people to give me some sort of advice other than "you married a no good lazy pig you need to leave him". How to you expect to help the people who lurk and never post if all you do is give lousy advice like that?
  • You also got some  pretty specific advice on what to say to your MIL in some  situations.  However, that won't help with the largest issue of having a husband that won't uphold his vows and make your wishes, opinions and desires more important to him than his mother's.  My only advice is to either try marriage counseling and hopefully a professional third party can make him see  the light, or you need to come to terms with the fact that you will always be #2 in his eyes. 
  • imagestw_77:
    You also got some  pretty specific advice on what to say to your MIL in some  situations.  However, that won't help with the largest issue of having a husband that won't uphold his vows and make your wishes, opinions and desires more important to him than his mother's.  My only advice is to either try marriage counseling and hopefully a professional third party can make him see  the light, or you need to come to terms with the fact that you will always be #2 in his eyes. 


    Just on the off chance:

    Is this cultural?

    I doubt it is, but if it is, you have an infinitely worse problem. In many cultures, this is normal and the wife takes a back seat forever.

    I urge you to be more proactive about this -- this situation will go 2 ways:

    You'll be whipped and bent into submission and you'll drown under this hot mess (and nobody will care, not even your H)

    Or this mess will blow sky high and you and your H will have quite the blow up.

    He could cut them all off for good and stay away from them; I don't see the possibility of that happening.

    And it is doubtful he will go to counseling if you suggest it --- he doesn't see there is a problem! He never saw a problem long before you came into the picture when his mother started handling his affairs. So why should he see a problem now?
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    And it is doubtful he will go to counseling if you suggest it --- he doesn't see there is a problem! He never saw a problem long before you came into the picture when his mother started handling his affairs. So why should he see a problem now?

     

    I do agree with this statement. I have suggested we talk to a third party, someone who he feels safe around so that we can get through this. But "he thinks we can get through it on our own". He doesn't see it as that bad. It makes it frustrating that's for sure!

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    imageTarponMonoxide:
    And it is doubtful he will go to counseling if you suggest it --- he doesn't see there is a problem! He never saw a problem long before you came into the picture when his mother started handling his affairs. So why should he see a problem now?

     

    I do agree with this statement. I have suggested we talk to a third party, someone who he feels safe around so that we can get through this. But "he thinks we can get through it on our own". He doesn't see it as that bad. It makes it frustrating that's for sure!

     Then this is a goner.

    He never was mature enough to be able to emotionally commit to you. Willing to bet you're in the dark about his finances; none of his bank info, etc comes to your home --- it probably still goes to his mother's house.

    I'll say it before everybody else does:

    DTMFA.

    Which is what you should have done that about 2+ years ago, when you started to date this spineless piece of dead weight. Love cannot conquer all and you cannot fix what's been broken.

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    Thanks doglove. I'm glad you have nothing better to do than recreate the posts people try to get rid of. I thought this was a safe, supportive community to ask questions and get advice. I'm prepared for people to not agree with the way I do things, but it is a waste of my time to sit here and watch people attack my beliefs. You have fun with your post... I'm glad I gave you something to do the rest of the day.

    How would you think that if you just joined today and posted five times?

    Also, there are a lot of posters on here who would LOVE to have their MIL treat them the way yours does you. Really, the only thing I saw in your post is that she's interested (maybe a little too interested, but interested nonetheless) in your lives and wants to spend time with you. Oh no, she suggested ways to arrange your furniture when you asked about paint colors. The horror! Nothing you suggested screams horrible MIL to me at all.

    Oh, FFS.
  • I agree with malibu...she really doesn't seem that bad. Maybe a bit overwhelming, especially if you aren't as social. But really not that bad.
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