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Miss Canada finalist disqualified

And from what I can understand 'because she did not meet the requirement to compete'. She is transgender.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Transgendered+Miss+Universe+Canada+finalist+disqualified/6348674/story.html

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  • Disagree. In my eyes she is a woman even if that wasn't her gender at birth. 
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  • imageallibally:
    Disagree. In my eyes she is a woman even if that wasn't her gender at birth. 

    100% agree with you! If she self identifies as a women then to me that is what she is.

  • I think this is really disappointing. I'd love to be as pretty as she is!!!
  • From this article, it sounds like the assumption is that her transgender status prompted the disqualification, but there is no official statement from either party to confirm this. (Not that the pageant organizers are going to necessarily come forward and confirm it.)

    However, if she were disqualified because she is transgender, I find that pretty appalling. Does Canada recognize transgender persons as their new gender? If 'female' is her legal status, I don't understand the pageant organizers' decision.  

  • I thought once you had the surgery and changed your paperwork, you were a man/woman as you decided? I know there were transgendered participants on America's next top model but they hadn't done all the surgeries yet so weren't technically 'women' legally. But it sounds like the Miss Canada finalist had done everything so is a woman now?
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  • I have no idea what pageant qualifications are, but could it be that you need to be X amount natural?  If I'm even saying that correctly. 

    I mean yes she is beautiful, but it looks like it took a whole lot of surgery to get her that way.

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  • imageooolalalolo:

    From this article, it sounds like the assumption is that her transgender status prompted the disqualification, but there is no official statement from either party to confirm this. (Not that the pageant organizers are going to necessarily come forward and confirm it.)

    However, if she were disqualified because she is transgender, I find that pretty appalling. Does Canada recognize transgender persons as their new gender? If 'female' is her legal status, I don't understand the pageant organizers' decision.  

    This.

    Why does it even matter unless they're judging the contestants' hoo-hoos as part of their beauty evaluation? And in that case, would they also disqualify an accident victim who needed orthopedic surgery to regain the use of a limb?

    Plus, doesn't Miss Universe allow plastic surgery anyway?

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  • As I understand it, the pageant rules say contestants have to be "natural born" women.  She stated so on her application and she wasn't born a woman.

     

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    contestants have to be "natural born" women 

    Boo! Sad

    (Not towards you, Linnya. Just towards the rule in general.) 

    I think this is discriminatory. What if you were born a hermaphrodite? Couldn't that be considered discrimination against someone with a disability?

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  • I don't find it discriminatory in a strict sense. The context here is *Miss* Universe and it's only natural that one of the rules would be to be natural born women. In the specific context of true women she still isn't one, even after all the surgical procedures. Sorry if this sounds a bit sharp, it's JMO. 
  • So someone born a hermaphrodite wouldn't be eligible for either a male or female beauty pageant? I suddenly want to go out and create a Mr/Ms pageant for them.
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  • Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand yes, he is a woman now and should be able to do womanly things like patents. However, isn't it also like Castor Semenya in that she did the 800 and the 1500 (world championships) but was disqualified because she was really a he and for a man or a person with a man's body to compete against women is unfair. So in a way, I kind of think it's the same sort of thing. 

    I also feel that there must be some sort of % natural rule - or Heidi Montag would just clean up the pagent circuit on her own. 

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  • imageGilliC:
    So someone born a hermaphrodite wouldn't be eligible for either a male or female beauty pageant? I suddenly want to go out and create a Mr/Ms pageant for them.

    I see your point and I think that in fact there should be such a pegeant in order for there to be equality. Still, I don't see how non natural born women could belong in a pageant whose purpose is almost exclusively to celebrate natural female beauty. I'm saying this in the most unaffected way, it just seems logical to me. If 90% of one's physical body is the product of surgery and manipulation then it's not fair to the other contestants. I would think the same if the situation was reversed. 

  • Oh, I totally agree that if beyond the genital gender reassignment surgery, the contestant had breast implants, and other cosmetic surgery, and the pageant had restrictions on plastic surgery, then no, they aren't eligible. But if the pageant allows "naturally born women" to have cosmetic surgery, then I don't think it's fair to exclude "unnaturally" born women. And if the only surgery involved was genital, then I seriously don't think it should matter (unless it's a "beauty of the vagina" pageant).

    If a contest is supposed to "celebrate natural female beauty," then I would give a side-eye to the judges if one of their finalists was a non-surgically-enhanced former male. And therein lies the problem with pageants. While I don't really think a boyish or male figure celebrates female beauty, there are clearly plenty of people who do (especially in the fashion industry). But that's a topic for another day.

    I might also be a bit overly-vested in this subject, because I actually know a girl who (although most people don't know it) was not born female. It has been an interesting and eye-opening experience learning about her transition.

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