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Anyone want to talk about this?
Should they let women join or no?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/us/augusta-women-members/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
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Re: Anyone want to talk about this?
Of course they should.
I judge anyone who would be a member or give that place funding.
I seriously hope this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. I want to see IBM withdraw their sponsorship and other companies to follow suit.
What I suspect will probably happen is they'll carve out some halfassed deal for Rometty and the status quo for everyone else will remain the same.
Only if the women aren't fat.
J/k ;-)
I was at a high level meeting of alumni with the new director of development at my alma mater (undergrad) this weekend. The new director of development was joking that he got invited to golf at augusta national with the president of the college and the biggest donor of the college - who is an alum and a well known businessman.
I wanted to say something snarky about them going there but held back.
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That would be some majorly bad PR and Rometty would be crazy to actually accept a deal tailored just for her while it's status quo for everyone else.
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I also wish the golfers would decline to play, but I know that won't happen. Before he was outed as Douche Supreme, it would've been great if Tiger Woods had sat out. He was the closest thing that golf's ever had to a rock star, and his absence would've been keenly felt.
you're better than I am - I don't think I would have been able to bite my tongue if I was there as an alumna and not staff. They should know better that Augusta is something that could be polarizing to their alumni and might want to keep discussions of golfing there to themselves.
I don't think they'll end up offering membership to Romnetty, which sucks. It's too bad that the PGA wont grow a backbone and refuse to host the Masters there, or eliminate it from being one of the championships until they change their admissions policy. that might make Augusta rethink its stance.
WTF?
How on earth is this a private matter?
If you are an executive at a large company, and you are a member of the whites only club, don't you think that reflects on the business's image?
This is NOTHING like being asked your FB password. Nothing, nothing, nothing. NOTHING. Let me explain.
The problem with the Facebook passwords are:
(1) the information is private and unknown to the employer;
(2) because the employees are lower level, they are not the public face of the company so the company has a much lower chance of being embarrassed; and
(3) there could be any number of private things in there, such as health issues, family issues, or other things that could result in discriminatory hiring, so the potential employers are just on a fishing expedition with no real specific suspicion that anyone has done anything wrong.
NONE of those things are at issue here.
(1) There's no privacy violation because people at the company would know if an executive was a member. How else could they pressure them to resign if they did not already know it?
(2)The executives are the public face of the employer, and their decision to belong to a sexist institution could embarrass the employer
(3) We know what the issue is - membership at a sexist club. There's no speculating. It weighs on one's ability to do the job, because of (2).
Do you still think this is like the facebook situation and a private matter? If so, can you explain what privacy rights of the executives would be trampled if their CEO said, "it is public knowledge that you are a member of this sexist club, and I think you should resign in a show of solidarity and because your membership there conflicts with the company's values?"
Does Burk play golf?
Bobby Jones was famous for his honesty, I wonder what his stance would be on this today.
It's a private club. It's a high profile private club but private nonetheless. Private clubs make their own rules about membership.
Considering they didn't allow their first black member until 1990 (I think) the only acceptable answer is that it is a hiding place for the rich to suck down gin and tonics while toasting each others bigotry.
So I am guessing women need to just shut up and put up.
Clearly if she played golf I am sure they would make an exception *eyeroll*
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People don't go there to "play golf." People aren't saying "no fair, Martha Burk wants to play on the pretty golf course!!!!!! wahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!"
If you think that is all that is about, wake up.
Sure, people play golf while they are there, but the REAL purpose of membership and going there is to see and be seen and to make deals. Membership there is membership in an elite power brokers club. Deals about M&As and directors and officers and promotions and takeovers and corporate strategy and all of these extremely high level things are made there. People play golf to give the conversations an aura of camaraderie and friendship, and because it sets the tone for the entire corporate and professional relationship.
If Virginia Rometty and Martha Burk can't be members, their ability to do their job as powerful executives is hindered.
It saddens me that women believe that it is OK to be excluded from the biggest power broker networking circles in the world, because it's a "private matter." Why are you ok with a glass ceiling?
The Burk plays golf comment was to get this thread rolling. I couldn't care less about whether or not she plays golf. And why does nobody want to talk about Bobby Jones?
Can you explain what relevance Bobby Jones has to giving women membership at Augusta today?
If there isn't relevance, start a new thread.
^^^
What if Bobby Jones built Augusta National today. That is the relevance.
Plus, I think Bobby Jones is more interesting than Martha Burk.
I don't know nearly enough about Bobby Jones to talk about him or to want to talk about him.
But I do know that sexism is not cool.
OK so what if he built it today? I don't really care. I would still judge him if he built a sexist institution.
If you think he's more interesting, start a thread about it and see how many hits it gets.
I concede that the Facebook connection was poorly thought out, I just get nervous whenever choices I make in my personal life become factors in my professional life. However, I still contend that this is a private matter. At what point should high ranking employees of a Catholic hospital or university not be permitted to volunteer for PP on their own time or be a member of PFLAG? If their actions do actually cause harm to the organization then specific personnel actions need to be taken, but "you can't do this on your own time because we disagree philosophically" rubs me the wrong way.