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Why isn't Easter tied more closely to Passover?

I was busy today preparing for our first Seder (every other year we've gone to a relative's house), so I only read a tiny bit of that epic thread.  But I did catch an exchange between (I think) 2V and AW about whether Jesus slept the night before his crucifixion.  I got to thinking of that during dinner.  Isn't it well accepted that the Last Supper was  a Passover Seder?  That was tonight, but only for those Jews outside of Israel (was Jesus crucified in Israel?).  For those in Israel, the first night is tomorrow. That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  Why is Easter always on Sunday, when clearly most years that is inaccurate?  Have you ever pondered that?  Does it bother you that this year, at least, he was actually crucified on the day you celebrate his resurrection?

 BTW, I had four glasses of (good) wine with my passover Seder, so sorry if I'm incoherent or didn't catch a wonky autocorrect. 

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Re: Why isn't Easter tied more closely to Passover?

  • You're a fraking genius when you're drunk.   No lie.
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  • Long story short, it is. The date for Easter each year is determined by when Passover falls, but since Jesus died on a Fridy and was ressurrected on a Sunday those days are guarded as well. Sometimes a specific day is more important than the actual date, since he died before the sun went down on a Friday they were able to take his body down and lie it in a tomb, but not to really dress it so they had to come back on Sunday to finish the job, kwim?
  • I'm stuck on you having good passover wine. I've always been stuck with manechevitz (or however that's spelled). I do occasionally drink good israeli wine, but I didn't think that was acceptable for passover.
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  • Ditto P.  it IS tied and obviously the Last Supper was a Passover meal. But part of the Reserruction story is that the women could not go to the tomb on Saturday bc it was the Sabbath, so they went on Sunday.  So that is important too.
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  • What the others said. It is accepted/acknowledged that it was Passover but the element of it being on a Friday then the Sabath then Sunday the women going to the tomb to find him risen is such an important part that it has to be celebrated on those days. So it is the weekend of Passover but celebrated on the weekend.

    It's kind of like having Thanksgiving on a Thursday, it's tradition. 

    P.S. yes Jesus was crucified in Isreal. 

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  • Ok I get that but what day did Jesus tell the Easter bunny to hide the Easter eggs? Cuz I am debating on whether to do eggs in the yard for DD either today or tomorrow.
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  • On a serious note- I thought Maundy Thursday was the day Christans did the last supper observance.
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  • I would also add that in the Catholic Church, we celebrate the Lord's Passover at every Mass.
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  • Yes the last supper is celebrated on Maundy Thursday because on Friday Christ was crucified. So the Last Supper was on Thursday.

    To be buried by Jewish law he had to be entombed before Sabbath began at sundown, which is why they weren't able to wrap the body and prepare it properly, requiring Mary and Mary Magdelene to return after the Sabbath and find him risen on Sunday morning.

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  • imageMrsAxilla:

    That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  

    You're assuming that the first night was a Friday.  It was Thursday that year.  As you know, the time Passover is celebrated changes.

    And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
  • Jesus wasn't born on December 25, but I still celebrate His birth then.  It's the meaning behind the holiday that matters.

    Jesus was Resurrected on Sunday, so that's what is important to most Christians.  It's why we hold our Sabbath on Sunday instead of Saturday.

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  • Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.
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  • image2Vermont:
    imageMrsAxilla:

    That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  

    You're assuming that the first night was a Friday.  It was Thursday that year.  As you know, the time Passover is celebrated changes.

    No - that was the point of my question.  Passover is tied to the Jewish calendar, which is lunar, so it floats.  I wondered why Easter doesn't float, too.  I didn't know theatre part about them not being able to dress him properly because of the sabbath.  That makes sense.

     Sibil - when you run your own Seder, you get to choose the wine...and the size of the glasses ;) 

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  • Because we're in church on Sunday lol


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  • imageMrsAxilla:
    No - that was the point of my question.  Passover is tied to the Jewish calendar, which is lunar, so it floats.  I wondered why Easter doesn't float, too.  I didn't know theatre part about them not being able to dress him properly because of the sabbath.  That makes sense.

     Sibil - when you run your own Seder, you get to choose the wine...and the size of the glasses ;) 

    Easter does float, just not quite the same way the Jewish holidays do.  Easter is always a Sunday for the reason the previous posters explained, but it's not the same Sunday every year.  But Easter generally falls during Passover.  It's just that because Christians' observance goes by days of the week instead of actual dates, Maundy Thursday (celebration of Last Supper) only occasionally matches up with the actual first day of Passover.

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  • imageMrsAxilla:
    image2Vermont:
    imageMrsAxilla:

    That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  

    You're assuming that the first night was a Friday.  It was Thursday that year.  As you know, the time Passover is celebrated changes.

    No - that was the point of my question.  Passover is tied to the Jewish calendar, which is lunar, so it floats.  I wondered why Easter doesn't float, too.  I didn't know theatre part about them not being able to dress him properly because of the sabbath.  That makes sense.

     Sibil - when you run your own Seder, you get to choose the wine...and the size of the glasses ;) 

    OK.  I guess I'm surprised you asked this question because I thought you were once Christian.

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  • image2Vermont:
    imageMrsAxilla:
    image2Vermont:
    imageMrsAxilla:

    That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  

    You're assuming that the first night was a Friday.  It was Thursday that year.  As you know, the time Passover is celebrated changes.

    No - that was the point of my question.  Passover is tied to the Jewish calendar, which is lunar, so it floats.  I wondered why Easter doesn't float, too.  I didn't know theatre part about them not being able to dress him properly because of the sabbath.  That makes sense.

     Sibil - when you run your own Seder, you get to choose the wine...and the size of the glasses ;) 

    OK.  I guess I'm surprised you asked this question because I thought you were once Christian.

    I like to describe my previous affiliation as "generic American Christian" - lol!  We celebrated Christmas and the Easter bunny visited, but beyond that I wasn't taught anything specific and we didn't attend church.
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  • imageBottle Of White:
    Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.

    Probably not as slow when you've been tortured and are already bleeding.

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  • imageBottle Of White:
    Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.

    I agree that crucifixion was a slow death. The Romans soldiers there broke the knees of the thieves hung beside Jesus so they would die faster (with the legs broken, the hanged person could not push up on their feet, thus preventling air from getting into the lungs and suffication ensued). Under Jewish law, the bodies had to be removed before the Passover began since it was unclean to handle the dead. So they needed to kill them faster than waiting a few days. When the soldiers came to Jesus to break His legs, He was dead already. I think from the time the three were hung, it it was several hours, like between 6 or 9 or something. Also, He coudl have died faster because Jesus was severely beaten - to near death even before the crucifying started. His skin was opened to expose His ribs in a beating called scouraging, which litterally means "to flay." He would have lost tons of blood and would have been in exhaustion too since He had to carry His own crossbeam (weighing about 110-125 pounds) to the hill (possibly 1/2 a mile).

  • imageMommyLiberty5013:

    imageBottle Of White:
    Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.

    I agree that crucifixion was a slow death. The Romans soldiers there broke the knees of the thieves hung beside Jesus so they would die faster (with the legs broken, the hanged person could not push up on their feet, thus preventling air from getting into the lungs and suffication ensued). Under Jewish law, the bodies had to be removed before the Passover began since it was unclean to handle the dead. So they needed to kill them faster than waiting a few days. When the soldiers came to Jesus to break His legs, He was dead already. I think from the time the three were hung, it it was several hours, like between 6 or 9 or something. Also, He coudl have died faster because Jesus was severely beaten - to near death even before the crucifying started. His skin was opened to expose His ribs in a beating called scouraging, which litterally means "to flay." He would have lost tons of blood and would have been in exhaustion too since He had to carry His own crossbeam (weighing about 110-125 pounds) to the hill (possibly 1/2 a mile).

    Dang.  Dude had a rough day. 

  • imageMrsAxilla:
    image2Vermont:
    imageMrsAxilla:

    That means of Jesus was crucified in Israel the day after the first nnight of Passover , which is Sunday - while you are all in church celebrating his resurrection.  The actual resurrection wouldn't be until Tuesday.  

    You're assuming that the first night was a Friday.  It was Thursday that year.  As you know, the time Passover is celebrated changes.

    No - that was the point of my question.  Passover is tied to the Jewish calendar, which is lunar, so it floats.  I wondered why Easter doesn't float, too.  I didn't know theatre part about them not being able to dress him properly because of the sabbath.  That makes sense.

    It does float according to the lunar calendar.  Easter is the first Sunday after the full moon following the spring equinox- so it floats between March 22 and April 25.   

  • imageMommyLiberty5013:

    imageBottle Of White:
    Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.

    I agree that crucifixion was a slow death. The Romans soldiers there broke the knees of the thieves hung beside Jesus so they would die faster (with the legs broken, the hanged person could not push up on their feet, thus preventling air from getting into the lungs and suffication ensued). Under Jewish law, the bodies had to be removed before the Passover began since it was unclean to handle the dead. So they needed to kill them faster than waiting a few days. When the soldiers came to Jesus to break His legs, He was dead already. I think from the time the three were hung, it it was several hours, like between 6 or 9 or something. Also, He coudl have died faster because Jesus was severely beaten - to near death even before the crucifying started. His skin was opened to expose His ribs in a beating called scouraging, which litterally means "to flay." He would have lost tons of blood and would have been in exhaustion too since He had to carry His own crossbeam (weighing about 110-125 pounds) to the hill (possibly 1/2 a mile).

    If the Last Supper was indeed a Passover seder, wouldn't it be too late? How is that reconciled?

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  • I think she mistyped and meant before sabbath began at sundown.

     Rome was trying to avoid an uprising (why they feared Jesus after he was so celebrated on his arrival in Jerusalem and wanted him arrested) by the Jewish population and disn't want to  upset the population that was currently on board with the crucifixion by disregarding Jewish law that the dead must be buried before Sabbath begins and letting the men linger into the Sabbath and have to hang there until Sunday.

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  • imageBottle Of White:
    imageMommyLiberty5013:

    imageBottle Of White:
    Don't forget to take into account the fact that he could have been on the cross for several days before he finally died.  Crucifixion was, by design, a slow and agonizing death.

    I agree that crucifixion was a slow death. The Romans soldiers there broke the knees of the thieves hung beside Jesus so they would die faster (with the legs broken, the hanged person could not push up on their feet, thus preventling air from getting into the lungs and suffication ensued). Under Jewish law, the bodies had to be removed before the Passover began since it was unclean to handle the dead. So they needed to kill them faster than waiting a few days. When the soldiers came to Jesus to break His legs, He was dead already. I think from the time the three were hung, it it was several hours, like between 6 or 9 or something. Also, He coudl have died faster because Jesus was severely beaten - to near death even before the crucifying started. His skin was opened to expose His ribs in a beating called scouraging, which litterally means "to flay." He would have lost tons of blood and would have been in exhaustion too since He had to carry His own crossbeam (weighing about 110-125 pounds) to the hill (possibly 1/2 a mile).

    If the Last Supper was indeed a Passover seder, wouldn't it be too late? How is that reconciled?

    Yeah, the having to have died before sundown thing is because the sabbath begins at sundown on Friday and no one was allowed to really work on the Sabbath, not because it was Passover.
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