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Norway shooter pleads not guilty b/c it was self-defense

 I intellectually understand why it's important to have public defenders and defense lawyers for the health of our justice system, but I just couldn't imagine being this guy's lawyer. 

I wonder if any Norwegians want to see the death penalty (not that it will happen), or if they are too evolved for that. 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17724535

The man who carried out bomb and gun attacks in Norway last year which left 77 people dead has pleaded not guilty at the start of his trial in Oslo.

Anders Behring Breivik attacked a youth camp organised by the governing Labour party on the island of Utoeya, after setting off a car bomb in the capital.

He told the court he "acknowledged" the acts committed, but said he did not accept criminal responsibility.

The prosecution earlier gave a detailed account of how each person was killed.

If the court decides he is criminally insane, he will be committed to psychiatric care; if he is judged to be mentally stable, he will be jailed.

In the latter case, he faces a sentence of 21 years, which could be extended to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life.

The 33-year-old Norwegian was found insane in one examination, while a second assessment made public last week found him mentally competent.

'Self-defence'

Dressed in a dark suit, Breivik smiled as he entered the courtroom and a guard removed his handcuffs. He then gave a closed-fist salute. He later told the lead judge, Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen: "I do not recognise the Norwegian courts. You have received your mandate from political parties which support multiculturalism." He also said he did not recognise the authority of Judge Arntzen, claiming she was friends with the sister of former Prime Minister and Labour party leader Gro Harlem Brundtland. The judge noted the objections, which Breivik's lawyer said were not official, and said the defence could follow up on them in their opening arguments. Breivik described his occupation as a "writer", currently working from prison. Prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh read out the charges against him and gave an extensively detailed account of how each person was killed or injured in last year's attacks. She said the attacks "created fear in the Norwegian population", adding: "The defendant has committed very serious crimes, on a scale which hasn't been experienced in our country in modern times." Breivik showed no emotion, looking down at the table in front of him. At the end of the indictment, he told the court: "I acknowledge the acts, but not criminal guilt - I claim I was doing it in self-defence." Breivik has already confessed to the attacks on 22 July. In the car bombing outside government buildings in Oslo, eight people were killed and 209 wounded. He killed 67 people and wounded 33 - most of them teenagers - in his shooting spree at the youth camp on Utoeya. A further two people died by falling or drowning. At a court hearing in February, Breivik said his killing spree was "a preventative attack against state traitors", who were guilty of "ethnic cleansing" because they supported a multicultural society. His lawyer has said his only regret is that "he did not go further". "It is difficult to understand, but I am telling you this to prepare people for his testimony," Geir Lippestad told reporters before the trial. Investigators have found no evidence to support Breivik's claims that he belonged to a secret "resistance" movement, the "Knights Templar", named after a military and religious order founded during the Crusades to fight the enemies of Christendom. "In our opinion such a network does not exist," prosecutor Svein Holden told the court on Monday. A 12-minute-long film about the evils of "multiculturalism" and "Islamic demographic warfare", which Breivik posted online on the day of the attacks, was shown in court before the trial was adjourned for lunch. As it concluded, he could be seen wiping tears from his eyes. Later, previously unreleased surveillance footage of the Oslo bombing was shown. Some of the survivors and relatives of those killed reportedly gasped after footage was played of Breivik's explosives-packed vehicle exploding, followed by scenes of panic as people fled and pieces of metal fell to the ground. But the defendant was impassive, and at times even smirked. The court later adjourned for the day. Parts of the trial will be shown on television, but the court will not allow Breivik's testimony or that of his witnesses to be broadcast. Breivik is scheduled to take the stand for about a week, starting on Tuesday. The BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Oslo says that with Breivik not expected to express any remorse for his actions, his trial promises to be an ordeal for the families of those killed and for those who survived. Jorid Nordmelan, a survivor of the Utoeya massacre, told the BBC she would be in court to hear Breivik testify. "It's a historical date for Norwegians," she said. "We never had a trial like this, so we don't know what's going to happen. "Prosecutors told me they were going to make the opening statements awful, so that people can just feel what he did right there." Police have sealed off streets around the courtroom, which was specially built for the trial to accommodate more than 200 people. Glass partitions have been put up to separate the victims and their families from Breivik.

Re: Norway shooter pleads not guilty b/c it was self-defense

  • self defense against mulitculturalisim? Did I read that right?
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  • Now I'm curious.  If he insists on his self-defense plea, can the court still find him not guilty by reason of insanity, or do you have to plead not guilty by reason of insanity to get that verdict?

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  • 21 years in a Norwegian prison??

    I'd just confess and get it over with. 21 years ain't shiit.



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  • 21 years?  that can't be right.  maybe it's 21 years per victim?

    though i do remember reading that scandanavian countries do not favor life in prison.

    in any event, i hope his continued looney toon antics convice people that he is criminally insane.  i wonder what the norwegian standard for that it.

    kiss it, nest.
  • imagecvillebetrothed:

    21 years?  that can't be right.  maybe it's 21 years per victim?

    though i do remember reading that scandanavian countries do not favor life in prison.

    in any event, i hope his continued looney toon antics convice people that he is criminally insane.  i wonder what the norwegian standard for that it.

    21 years total, although it seems there may be a way to extend that (it's implied in the article).  I believe that if he were found criminally insane, they could keep him in psychiatric care indefinitely, so perhaps that would end up keeing him off the streets longer. 

    As to PP - yes, self defense against multiculturalism.  I guess because he feels like his pure race is being wiped out.  Crazycakes.

  • imagemysticporter:
    Now I'm curious.  If he insists on his self-defense plea, can the court still find him not guilty by reason of insanity, or do you have to plead not guilty by reason of insanity to get that verdict?

    Interesing question.  Not sure what Norwegian courts can do sua sponte.

  • 21 years total?

    okay.  that's, um.  whoa.

    kiss it, nest.
  • imagehindsight's_a_biotch:
    21 years in a Norwegian prison??

    I'd just confess and get it over with. 21 years ain't shiit.

    True dat. Check this link about Norway's Halende prision. The room is nicer than my dorm was.

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  • 21 yrs for the bombing. Poorly written opening. Apparently Norways concept of self defense is as f'd up as FL's. (Or did he not actually claim self defense, just spout ofg some random nonsense that his atty is going to ignore?)
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  • Wait, self-defense against the ethnic cleansing of multiculturalism?

    Yup, he's crazy.

     

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  • imagemeshaliu:
    imagehindsight's_a_biotch:
    21 years in a Norwegian prison??

    I'd just confess and get it over with. 21 years ain't shiit.

    True dat. Check this link about Norway's Halende prision. The room is nicer than my dorm was.

    So I was right then. I could totally sign up and learn the art of intarsia while incarcerated.

    Not a bad way to spend my time really.



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  • I am going to need for someone to tell me this phuckery is from the damn Onion:

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    "HOW many US citizens and ranchers have been decapitated in Arizona by roving bands of paperless aliens, and how will a requirement that I have papers on me make that not happen?"courtesy of SueSue
  • He later told the lead judge, Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen: "I do not recognise the Norwegian courts. You have received your mandate from political parties which support multiculturalism."

    At the end of the indictment, he told the court: "I acknowledge the acts, but not criminal guilt - I claim I was doing it in self-defence."

    At a court hearing in February, Breivik said his killing spree was "a preventative attack against state traitors", who were guilty of "ethnic cleansing" because they supported a multicultural society.

    His lawyer has said his only regret is that "he did not go further".

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  • imageMeredithE:

    I am going to need for someone to tell me this phuckery is from the damn Onion:

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    If they're from IKEA, assembling them is the equivalent of hard labor - so I'd say IKEA furniture is appropriate for prisoners.

     

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  • imagemarie427:
    If they're from IKEA, assembling them is the equivalent of hard labor - so I'd say IKEA furniture is appropriate for prisoners.

    They should have to put together cribs where the instructions are cleverly on a sticker attached to the crib so you can't loose them. But less cleverly on the side of the platform that faces the floor so someone has to occassionally stick their head under something half assembled to find out what to do next. It would make for some interesting prision riots.

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