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C&P People Should be Locked Up Forever
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http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/1/65276154/ShowThread.aspx
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I am sick of hearing about people on parole continuing to commit crimes. A few cities away a man was just beaten to death by his son; his wife and other son are in critical condition. His son was out on parole for a drug conviction.
My UO is I think if you spend any time in prison (like an actual sentence, not in the county jail for a couple days) and get out on parole and commit another crime...doesn't matter how small, you can steal a pack of gum, you should automatically go back to jail for life. I know that's harsh, but I am sick of hearing about these people that are in and out of jail their entire lives. They're never going to be productive members of society and rehabilitate.
I would say locking up for life that small percentage of people who would have learned from their mistake is worth it if you can save a ton of lives that are taken by repeat offenders. Even the prison guards on those Lock Up shows say it all the time, "so and so is getting out today, but they'll be back". |
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Re: C&P People Should be Locked Up Forever
first I read it as people who cut and paste should be locked up
now I'm thinking sure - Les Miserable style is a valid way to run a nation - let's do that.
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I did too!
But its actually gum thieves who should get life.
But my family was hungry!
<a href="http://www.thenest.com/?utm_source=ticker&utm_medium=HTML&utm_campaign=tickers" title="Home DOh, great idea! Let's construct a prison system that often makes it harder for people to re-enter society and get a job, so that stealing to survive is the more viable option, and then punish them for it.
I'm wondering if she turns into one of those mothers who feeds their kid twinkies and pepsi, then smacks them for being hyper, and THEN complains that her kids hit other kids on the playground. "Where did they learn that? I don't understand!"
Oh but it gets better:
"lol how cute. Im sorry but from someone who has seen the jail systems and heard about it daily, there is only so much they can do to rehabilitate criminals. A lot are in there for BIG things, cops usually don't bother with petty stuff anymore and most of the people in there and people that rape, gang members (a lot) and people that murder. The gang member want to be in there and will 80% of the time come back. Im sorry but you can't always rehabilitate people to society when they want to be back in jail lol.
edited: apparently its more like 98% of those people will always be back. There is a program but people do not use it and refuse it. This is a jail in california but I love all the misinformation in the thread."
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with the money they are given. with the societal attitude toward making sure that prison hurts rather than helps so the people don't get off too easy, with too much free education, with too much training that the rest of us don't get for free and we did nothing wrong...
Stan Fields: "What is the one thing our society needs the most?"
Gracie Lou Freebush: "That would be harsher punishments for parole violaters, Stan...................(crickets)............and...world peace."
(applause)
Do we even really try to rehabilitate criminals? I feel like (societal) we make a token effort in that direction but are really more interested in making prision as miserable as possible.
I like it. It makes me think of the lady from Anamaniacs.
I have had to address this so many times at work. Many (if not most) large public library systems offer services for the incarcerated and recently-released, and there are people who just don't understand why we would reward criminals with reading material to access, job help for when they are released, etc. To me, it's just common sense - most prisoners will eventually be released into our communities and we are all MUCH better off making their lives a little easier so that they don't have reasons to continue wreaking havoc on communities. Someone who's employed, obtaining an education, etc. is less likely going to become a menace to society. It's a quality of life issue for all of us, plain and simple. But I guess these people don't believe recently-released people will ever be anywhere near their precious neighborhood.
<a href="http://www.thenest.com/?utm_source=ticker&utm_medium=HTML&utm_campaign=tickers" title="Home DAwesome.
<a href="http://www.thenest.com/?utm_source=ticker&utm_medium=HTML&utm_campaign=tickers" title="Home DI can't even begin to refute this nonsense.
Homegirl's head would start spinning once she hears that CAwas mandated to release 33,000 prisoners starting last OCtober and that those released are supposed to receive rehabilitation through community-based programs.
Along those lines, MH thinks that we should send people to prison in the Congo or somewhere similar. Mostly as a way to save money - we could pay a private company 50% of the price it costs to house them in the US. He's all for them having internet access so they can still have access to counsel and what not. In return, they get a lucrative industry.
I mentioned problems with visitation, the internet working, problems with corruption in the Congo (prisoners potentially buying their way out), etc. but he still thinks it could work. Thoughts?
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Now bring me prisoner 24601
Your time is up
And your parole's begun
You know what that means.
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Yes, it means I'm free.
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No! It means you get
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You are a thief.
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I stole a loaf of bread.
JAVERT
You robbed a house.
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I broke a window pane.
My sisters child was close to death
And we were starving.
JAVERT
You will starve again
Unless you learn the meaning of the law.
VALJEAN
I know the meaning of those 19 years
A slave of the law.
JAVERT
Five years for what you did
The rest because you tried to run
Yes, 24601.
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My name is Jean Valjean.
JAVERT
And I am Javert
Do not forget my name
Do not forget me
24601
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You'll always be a slave
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and George Carlin had a much better solution anyway.
**NSFW, not to be taken seriously.
I thought it could be interesting to consider why that sounds so much worse given the fact that we already have private prisons in the US and move people across state lines. Add that to the desire to outsource other services to cheaper countries, and what exactly is the problem? It sounded stupid to me, too, but then I couldn't really articulate why.
That it's harder for people to visit?
Is it cruel and unusual because they're in the middle of the Congo? If that's the case, why was Alcatraz OK?
That another sovereign has some control over American citizens who didn't go there of their own free will?
You can think it's an idiotic idea, but I find it interesting to discuss an idea (this one even has a historical background) and talk about it in today's context - what are the implications, what problems do we see now that people didn't care about before, etc.
See also Jamie Leigh Jones.
Well, Great Britain had a program like this and now Australia is a woman loving wonderland.
So maybe this is a way to bring opera to the Congo.
Of course, there's that pesky problem of what happened to the aborigines.
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I, for one, can't take seriously the opinion, unpopular or otherwise, from some who uses the words jail and prison interchangeably.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
Although, we now have three classifications in CA: state prison, "county prison" (felony offenders housed at county jail facilities to comply with AB109); and county jail (which are filling up with so many county prisoners, misdemeanants are basically booked and released). So in a way jail does now equal prison for some offenders.
However, I think the OP on the bump has no idea regarding any of these terms.
Statistics have shown that prisoners who keep in contact with their families while incarcerated have a much, much lower recidivism rate, along with fewer discipline problems while incarcerated. So the end result would be prisoners who are much more isolated from society, and would have a much harder time reintegrating when they are released. Also, I would think abuse would be a huge issue as well - even prisons in the US have a terrible, terrible time with corruption, rape by both inmates and guards, violence, abusive guards, and inadequate or nonexistent medical care. How would that play out where prisoners are even more cut off from access to legal representation or family? I think there would be some violations as far as right to legal counsel as well, good luck finding lawyers who will go to the Congo to represent indigent prisoners. Not to mention what foreign country is going to want to have some other country's criminals?