Stupidity abounds on The Bump

RedheadBaker · April 2012

"My child's records say that he's due for the MMR vaccine and I'm afraid it will give him autism!"

Several people post links that the study was a fraud, Wakefield has been stripped of his license, etc.

"I get what you're saying and I agree with you but I still believe it will give him autism!"

http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/
65369712.aspx

jenniloveselvis · April 2012

I am encouraged by the volume of voices of reason. I was expecting it to be atin foil hat type thread. Of course, two of them were regular P&CErs so there's that.

grahamsm3 · April 2012

yeah, sure, lets say it does cause autism.

Mumps can cause:"

Inflammation of the brain and/or tissue covering the brain and spinal cord (encephalitis/meningitis)
Inflammation of the ovaries (oophoritis) and/or breasts (mastitis) in females who have reached puberty
Deafness"

Measles can cause:

"About 30% of measles cases develop one or more complications, including

Pneumonia, which is the complication that is most often the cause of death in young children.
Ear infections occur in about 1 in 10 measles cases and permanent loss of hearing can result.
Diarrhea is reported in about 8% of cases.

These complications are more common among children under 5 years of age and adults over 20 years old.

Even in previously healthy children, measles can be a serious illness requiring hospitalization. As many as 1 out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, and about 1 child in every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis. (This is an inflammation of the brain that can lead to convulsions, and can leave the child deaf or mentally retarded.) For every 1,000 children who get measles, 1 or 2 will die from it. Measles also can make a pregnant woman have a miscarriage, give birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.

In developing countries, where malnutrition and vitamin A deficiency are common, measles has been known to kill as many as one out of four people. It is the leading cause of blindness among African children. Measles kills almost 1 million children in the world each year.

SSPE is a very rare, but fatal degenerative disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life."

And while there are not major complications for the child who catches Rubella post-birth- if a PG woman gets it from your un-vaxed kid:

"However, if you're pregnant when you contract rubella, the consequences for your unborn child may be severe. Up to 90 percent of infants born to mothers who had rubella during the first 11 weeks of pregnancy develop congenital rubella syndrome. This can cause one or more problems, including:

Growth retardation
Cataracts
Deafness
Congenital heart defects
Defects in other organs
Mental retardation

The highest risk to the fetus is during the first trimester, but exposure later in pregnancy also is dangerous."

BAMFMrsB · April 2012

grahamsm3:

yeah, sure, lets say it does cause autism.

I will NEVER understand the thought process that contracting Autism from a vaccine is more of an evil than watching your child die from Whooping Cough/Rhubella/an eradicated disease!***

***I in no way, shape, or form believe the B.S. 'theory' that ANY vaccine causes a child to form Autism. But these Jenny McCarthy-philes MUST believe that their preshuses' lives will be spared the Autism by NOT vaccinating, correct? So they're rolling the dice on contracting POLIO or SMALLPOX? Really? Is it because this isht has been gone for decades and they don't understand the ramifications?

See? This is me TRYING to understand not vax'ing. And failing....

DebateThis · April 2012

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-talk-huppke-obit-facts-20120419,0,809470.story

Mamasaurus · April 2012

People who want to get worked up about vaccines should be paying a lot less attention to Jenny McCarthy and a lot more attention to the fact that the acellular pertussis vaccine is less effective than the old pertussis vaccine, and the new-ish recommendation to vaccinate women in pregnancy rather than shortly after childbirth is causing the pertussis vaccine to be less effective in their children. We should be asking why the CDC promotes policies that lower efficacy rates, not whether a preservative that isn't used in most vaccines anymore can cause a condition that scientists don't even properly understand yet.

karinothing · April 2012

Mamasaurus:
People who want to get worked up about vaccines should be paying a lot less attention to Jenny McCarthy and a lot more attention to the fact that the acellular pertussis vaccine is less effective than the old pertussis vaccine, and the new-ish recommendation to vaccinate women in pregnancy rather than shortly after childbirth is causing the pertussis vaccine to be less effective in their children. We should be asking why the CDC promotes policies that lower efficacy rates, not whether a preservative that isn't used in most vaccines anymore can cause a condition that scientists don't even properly understand yet.

I know you have said this before and I didn't say anything then but feel I should now. Anyway..there is a theoretical concern that there may be interference with DTaP BUT the data supporting this is very old and not all that relevant because it is based on the mother contracting pertussis NOT being vaccinated. The reason why the shot is now recommended during pregnancy is because the benefit of passive protection of the infant through the mother is outweighed by any hypothetical risk of vaccination interference.

Anyway, I know it is confusing because I thought what you thought at first. However, I contacted someone at the CDC and that is what they told me.

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