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the latest education brainchild: robo-grading

This is fuckings stupid.  And it's coming our way.  ALL of our ways, seeing as how 40+ states have signed onto PARCC over the next couple years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/education/robo-readers-used-to-grade-test-essays.html?_r=1&emc=eta1

A recently released study has concluded that computers are capable of scoring essays on standardized tests as well as human beings do.

Mark Shermis, dean of the College of Education at the University of Akron, collected more than 16,000 middle school and high school test essays from six states that had been graded by humans. He then used automated systems developed by nine companies to score those essays.

Computer scoring produced ?virtually identical levels of accuracy, with the software in some cases proving to be more reliable,? according to a University of Akron news release.

?A Win for the Robo-Readers? is how an Inside Higher Ed blog post summed things up.

For people with a weakness for humans, there is more bad news. Graders working as quickly as they can ? the Pearson education company expects readers to spend no more than two to three minutes per essay? might be capable of scoring 30 writing samples in an hour.

The automated reader developed by the Educational Testing Service, e-Rater, can grade 16,000 essays in 20 seconds, according to David Williamson, a research director for E.T.S., which develops and administers 50 million tests a year, including the SAT.

Is this the end? Are Robo-Readers destined to inherit the earth?

Les Perelman, a director of writing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, says no.

Mr. Perelman enjoys studying algorithms from E.T.S. research papers when he is not teaching undergraduates. This has taught him to think like e-Rater.

While his research is limited, because E.T.S. is the only organization that has permitted him to test its product, he says the automated reader can be easily gamed, is vulnerable to test prep, sets a very limited and rigid standard for what good writing is, and will pressure teachers to dumb down writing instruction.

The e-Rater?s biggest problem, he says, is that it can?t identify truth. He tells students not to waste time worrying about whether their facts are accurate, since pretty much any fact will do as long as it is incorporated into a well-structured sentence. ?E-Rater doesn?t care if you say the War of 1812 started in 1945,? he said.

Mr. Perelman found that e-Rater prefers long essays. A 716-word essay he wrote that was padded with more than a dozen nonsensical sentences received a top score of 6; a well-argued, well-written essay of 567 words was scored a 5.

An automated reader can count, he said, so it can set parameters for the number of words in a good sentence and the number of sentences in a good paragraph. ?Once you understand e-Rater?s biases,? he said, ?it?s not hard to raise your test score.?

E-Rater, he said, does not like short sentences.

Or short paragraphs.

Or sentences that begin with ?or.? And sentences that start with ?and.? Nor sentence fragments.

However, he said, e-Rater likes connectors, like ?however,? which serve as programming proxies for complex thinking. Moreover, ?moreover? is good, too.

Gargantuan words are indemnified because e-Rater interprets them as a sign of lexical complexity. ?Whenever possible,? Mr. Perelman advises, ?use a big word. ?Egregious? is better than ?bad.? ?

The substance of an argument doesn?t matter, he said, as long as it looks to the computer as if it?s nicely argued.

For a question asking students to discuss why college costs are so high, Mr. Perelman wrote that the No. 1 reason is excessive pay for greedy teaching assistants.

?The average teaching assistant makes six times as much money as college presidents,? he wrote. ?In addition, they often receive a plethora of extra benefits such as private jets, vacations in the south seas, starring roles in motion pictures.?

E-Rater gave him a 6. He tossed in a line from Allen Ginsberg?s ?Howl,? just to see if he could get away with it.

He could.

The possibilities are limitless. If E-Rater edited newspapers, Roger Clemens could say, ?Remember the Maine,? Adele could say, ?Give me liberty or give me death,? Patrick Henry could sing ?Someone Like You.?

To their credit, researchers at E.T.S. provided Mr. Perelman access to e-Rater for a month. ?At E.T.S., we pride ourselves in being transparent about our research,? Mr. Williamson said.

Two of the biggest for-profit education companies, Vantage Learning and Pearson, turned down my request to let Mr. Perelman test their products.

?He wants to show why it doesn?t work,? said Peter Foltz, a Pearson vice president.

?Yes, I?m a skeptic,? Mr. Perelman said. ?That?s exactly why I should be given access.?

E.T.S. officials say that Mr. Perelman?s test prep advice is too complex for most students to absorb; if they can, they?re using the higher level of thinking the test seeks to reward anyway. In other words, if they?re smart enough to master such sophisticated test prep, they deserve a 6.

E.T.S. also acknowledges that truth is not e-Rater?s strong point. ?E-Rater is not designed to be a fact checker,? said Paul Deane, a principal research scientist.

?E-Rater doesn?t appreciate poetry,? Mr. Williamson added.

They say Mr. Perelman is setting a false premise when he treats e-Rater as if it is supposed to substitute for human scorers. In high stakes testing where e-Rater has been used, like grading the Graduate Record Exam, the writing samples are also scored by a human, they point out. And if there is a discrepancy between man and machine, a second human is summoned.

Mr. Foltz said that 90 percent of the time, Pearson?s Intelligent Essay Assessor is used by classroom teachers as a learning aid. The software gives students immediate feedback to improve their writing, which they can revise and resubmit, Mr. Foltz said. ?They may do five drafts,? he said, ?and then give it to the teacher to read.?

As for good writing being long writing, Mr. Deane said there was a correlation. Good writers have internalized the skills that give them better fluency, he said, enabling them to write more in a limited time.

Mr. Perelman takes great pleasure in fooling e-Rater. He has written an essay, then randomly cut a sentence from the middle of each paragraph and has still gotten a 6.

Two former students who are computer science majors told him that they could design an Android app to generate essays that would receive 6?s from e-Rater. He says the nice thing about that is that smartphones would be able to submit essays directly to computer graders, and humans wouldn?t have to get involved.

In conclusion, to paraphrase the late, great Abraham Lincoln: Mares eat oats and does eat oats, but little lambs eat ivy.

A kiddley divey too, he added, wouldn?t you?

For another article: http://www.nytimes.com/schoolbook/2012/04/23/testing-absurdities-reading-worries-and-robo-grading/ 

 

 

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Re: the latest education brainchild: robo-grading

  • I think you would score better if you said "Moreover, this article is egregious!" instead of "fuckings stupid." Wink
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  • If we are too lazy to grade the essays what is the point of including them in the test?

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  • What are we doing? I mean really, does anyone know?
  • It's not laziness that is the call for e-grading, it's money.  It's cheaper to build and program a machine or 100 than to pay the 3000 humans $1700 each to score AP English tests.  

    What a crock of shiit this is. I'd like to think that this would never make it in real life, but I've seen what stupidity has been transpiring in this country lately.

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    It's not laziness that is the call for e-grading, it's money.  It's cheaper to build and program a machine or 100 than to pay the 3000 humans $1700 each to score AP English tests.  

    What a crock of shiit this is. I'd like to think that this would never make it in real life, but I've seen what stupidity has been transpiring in this country lately.

    But to me part of the importance of essays is not only the content, but the writing style, the creativity and thought behind the answers, etc.  I don't see this translating when a machine grades it, so it seems the usefulness of the essay declines.  If it is just a fact checker then why can't we just make it all multiple choice.  And I absolutely think it sends the wrong message to kids. 

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  • This right here

    Two of the biggest for-profit education companies, Vantage Learning and Pearson, turned down my request to let Mr. Perelman test their products.

    ?He wants to show why it doesn?t work,? said Peter Foltz, a Pearson vice president.

    Is why these people shouldn't be involved in making a a product to test critical thinking.  If showing that it doesn't work is a bad thing, why bother with any quality control?  

    I would have been so screwed on their systems.  I'm a concise writer.

    I'm just appalled that facts don't matter.  I can't imagine this thing analyzing the essay portion of the AP bio exam. 

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  • imagecookiemdough:
    imagetaratru:

    It's not laziness that is the call for e-grading, it's money.  It's cheaper to build and program a machine or 100 than to pay the 3000 humans $1700 each to score AP English tests.  

    What a crock of shiit this is. I'd like to think that this would never make it in real life, but I've seen what stupidity has been transpiring in this country lately.

    But to me part of the importance of essays is not only the content, but the writing style, the creativity and thought behind the answers, etc.  I don't see this translating when a machine grades it, so it seems the usefulness of the essay declines.  If it is just a fact checker then why can't we just make it all multiple choice.  And I absolutely think it sends the wrong message to kids. 

    Essays aren't just about creativity.  They're about learning to communicate (factual) information through words.  If the information you're communicating is factually incorrect, you don't deserve a perfect score.  

    Most of my exams in the hard sciences contained an essay portion in addition to multiple choice.  The presence of multiple choice does not excuse factual errors in my essays.  I had exams that were entirely essay format.  Is it the right message if I learn that facts don't matter but creative language does? 

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  • imageSibil:
    imagecookiemdough:
    imagetaratru:

    It's not laziness that is the call for e-grading, it's money.  It's cheaper to build and program a machine or 100 than to pay the 3000 humans $1700 each to score AP English tests.  

    What a crock of shiit this is. I'd like to think that this would never make it in real life, but I've seen what stupidity has been transpiring in this country lately.

    But to me part of the importance of essays is not only the content, but the writing style, the creativity and thought behind the answers, etc.  I don't see this translating when a machine grades it, so it seems the usefulness of the essay declines.  If it is just a fact checker then why can't we just make it all multiple choice.  And I absolutely think it sends the wrong message to kids. 

    Essays aren't just about creativity.  They're about learning to communicate (factual) information through words.  If the information you're communicating is factually incorrect, you don't deserve a perfect score.  

    Most of my exams in the hard sciences contained an essay portion in addition to multiple choice.  The presence of multiple choice does not excuse factual errors in my essays.  I had exams that were entirely essay format.  Is it the right message if I learn that facts don't matter but creative language does? 

    I am not sure why you are focused on the creativity part and ignoring the part I said about content, writing style, etc.  Creativity is the one part that I don't think can be judged by a computer, not that it is the only thing that matters in an essay.   

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  • And going back to reread the article it still won't necessarily catch factual items nor thought process in supporting the answer...
     
    The e-Rater?s biggest problem, he says, is that it can?t identify truth. He tells students not to waste time worrying about whether their facts are accurate, since pretty much any fact will do as long as it is incorporated into a well-structured sentence.?E-Rater doesn?t care if you say the War of 1812 started in 1945,? he said.
    Mr. Perelman found that e-Rater prefers long essays. A 716-word essay he wrote that was padded with more than a dozen nonsensical sentences received a top score of 6; a well-argued, well-written essay of 567 words was scored a 5. 

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  • I thought the whole point of essays was for those exact two reasons... To show a good thought process and a good grasp of the factual concept at hand. Even for an essay that's like "What did you do last summer?" there's more than just sentence structure at play. Uggggggh. This is just a horrible, horrible idea.. I mean really, what the hell? If there's no actual person to grade essays, let's just get rid of them and make the whole thing scantron. This is just gross.
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  • imageSibil:

    This right here

    Two of the biggest for-profit education companies, Vantage Learning and Pearson, turned down my request to let Mr. Perelman test their products.

    ?He wants to show why it doesn?t work,? said Peter Foltz, a Pearson vice president.

    Is why these people shouldn't be involved in making a a product to test critical thinking.  If showing that it doesn't work is a bad thing, why bother with any quality control?  

    I would have been so screwed on their systems.  I'm a concise writer.

    I'm just appalled that facts don't matter.  I can't imagine this thing analyzing the essay portion of the AP bio exam. 

    I totally missed the part you highlighted and that just sickens me even more. Any good software tester worth their salt is going to try to break a system/machine so that the company can find a way to fix it to make a better and more accurate product. That a company would actually reject what amounts to free product testing because it would point out the (potentially gaping) flaws just completely blows my mind. What a bunch of scumbags.

    Also I'd hope no one would let this near AP tests with a 100 yard pole. I had to pay for my AP tests out of my own pocket Junior and Senior year, and the kids who take them deserve to have their tests graded by real people. I can't imagine working my butt off all year in an AP course only to miss the college credit because my essay didn't score high enough despite being factually accurate and concise.

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  • imageHeather R:

    For a question asking students to discuss why college costs are so high, Mr. Perelman wrote that the No. 1 reason is excessive pay for greedy teaching assistants.

    ?The average teaching assistant makes six times as much money as college presidents,? he wrote. ?In addition, they often receive a plethora of extra benefits such as private jets, vacations in the south seas, starring roles in motion pictures.? 

    Huh? 

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