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1 in 2 new college grads are unemployed or underemployed...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/1_in_2_new_graduates_are_jobless_or_underemployed.html
I won't c&p the sad news.
I would not recommend college to any high schooler or hs grad.
I strongly suggest a trade --- we still need electricians, plumbers, mechanics, woodworkers, culinary artists and the like.
Welders are badly needed; it is a dying art.
I also remember a time when commerical high schools and vo-tech high schools were plentiful and fully enrolled. And popular.
The high school used to have an excellent graphic arts program; every single student who was in that program got an excellent job; the automotive courses at the hs were discontinued ages ago.
I won't c&p the sad news.
I would not recommend college to any high schooler or hs grad.
I strongly suggest a trade --- we still need electricians, plumbers, mechanics, woodworkers, culinary artists and the like.
Welders are badly needed; it is a dying art.
I also remember a time when commerical high schools and vo-tech high schools were plentiful and fully enrolled. And popular.
The high school used to have an excellent graphic arts program; every single student who was in that program got an excellent job; the automotive courses at the hs were discontinued ages ago.
Re: 1 in 2 new college grads are unemployed or underemployed...
I'd also highly suggest kids go into trade school. Another field that is currently booming (and being recruited before they attain their degrees) is construction management.
It is scary sh#t that you have to make back your investment. It used to be college was your ticket into a better future and a good job.
Education is highly demanded, really?
That's why there is a whole slew of seasoned educators who are out of work; my good friend works for the dept of labor and she's got teacher after teacher -- masters degree level -- that cannot find a teaching job.
Nor can new grads. I know of somebody whose 1 year contract education job is just about over and done.
I suggest a trade or work your way throught college: 2 semesters in, 2 off working, 2 on, etc. until your time at the uni is done.
I also wish they'd bring back the ROTC scholarships.
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Except for culinary artists, you are right. Diploma mill cooking schools are churning out "chefs" left and right, and these kids are left with tens of thousands of SL debt only to be working in minimum wage waitstaff jobs.
The problem with this is that while many agree in principle, nobody wants their kid to be the one that is a welder. Everyone wants their kid to go to college. It's like the military. Fine for someone else's kid.
to be fair, 50% of those polled were Theatre majors.
I get your point. I definitely see the rise of education costs are non-proportionate to salaries. I promise I'm not paying peanuts either.
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The thing is, It doesn't seem that historically, higher-ed has really changed, its just that we've gotten used to the idea of "everyone" going and getting a degree in "whatever" and then still going on to make a successful career for themselves. College is and always will be useful toward certain ends. Its just that now its not useful as monetary investment regardless of field of study - and I'd go so far as to say it shouldn't have ever been in the first place.
My issue is that I still see plenty of job opportunities where a BA or MFA (for cripes sake) is required for plenty of entry-level, junior level and mid-level jobs. You can't tell me to not send my kid to college and then have me see umpteen jobs she couldn't do w/o a degree.
Having said that I do see some of jobs that are looking for an Assoc. Degree or better, which is encouraging.
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I didn't read the article, but its not rocket surgery to know that certain fields cannot and should not expect to NOT be underemployed for the first few years no matter how great the economy is doing. Teachers and Engineers? Sure, poll them 2 years after they graduate and make all the assertions you want. Women's Studies and Psychology majors? Come on, don't talk to them for at least 5 years...
I absolutely agree - there is some serious money to be made. Especially if you go into computers; getting those certifications = lots of nice pennies.
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Out of the 18 kids that graduated from the major I teach in in December, one graduated with a paying job. The rest were unemployed, or going to either a paid or unpaid internship. Of the crop of about 35 that are about to graduate, non have been hired full time (to my knowledge). I know of about 12 or so that are going into paid internships...the rest are still looking.
ETA: Of the 18 December grads, all of them are currently employed full-time, so there is that.
It's scary.
I can also point to several current students who I wish had never entered the program, because they are taking time and resources away from the students that have potential and drive.
I know the economy sucks and that college is more and more expensive, but that was pretty much my experience 15 years ago also. About 1/2 or more of my friends were unemployed or underemployed after graduating college. I was a science major, so pretty technologically savvy, but still it was hard to get a job.
I was checking on MM and (very unscientifically) it seems like it was pretty common for most of us college graduates to be unemployed/underemployed even in the 90s and early 2000s.
(http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/65382637.aspx)
I guess I'm surprised that over 50% of graduates were often employed in good-paying, career jobs right away before the recession?
Are you united with the CCOKCs?
This is a major reason why I had an unwritten rule to never hire someone fresh out of college, especially if they just earned their Masters and haven't worked anywhere. IME, they greatly over-estimate their own worth and value to the job market. Plus, I don't want to be the one to strip them of all their ideals and illusions about the ways of the working world.
There are a lot of educated and experienced people out there still looking for work. I wonder how much that plays into this.
I'm sorry--what?
ROTC does offer scholarships. It's also one of three ways you can become a commissioned officer.
http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/college-students/four-year-scholarships.html
Right now, I have about 10 seniors who are graduating this semester. Every single one of them:
Me: So, do you know what you're going to do after graduation?
Senior graduating in 2 weeks: No, not yet. I haven't really applied for any jobs because I've been so busy with school and my internship. But I do work for this one client at my internship and I'd like to work there, so that's a possibility.
I would steer future kids of mine away from the culinary profession.
I went to trade school for culinary and in exchange I got to work grueling hours, for exceptionally shii!ty pay, with zero work-life balance, in an extraordinarily sexist and anti-woman environment with no HR and no real recourse for boss-to-employee abuse.
I went back to school for electrical engineering and am loving the office job ever since. It's really hard for me to encourage other people to enter blue collar jobs when the working environment can be and many times is pretty much hell on earth, especially compared to white collar work, and for many times much less monetary compensation, vacation, sick pay, retirement, and so forth.
Heh, now days when I bring baked goods into the office people rave that I should start my own bakery or restaurant and I just chuckle, tell them thanks, and as I return to my desk I privately know it'll be at least until I'm close to retirement that I ever think of working in a kitchen (hopefully one I own) except if I'm in dire straits again.