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s/o of criminalization of bad mothers

TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

Re: s/o of criminalization of bad mothers

  • So does this essentially outlaw abortion in TN?  How can this be legal?
  • imageEliseB0323:
    So does this essentially outlaw abortion in TN?  How can this be legal?

    the bills author says no, but we also know Jeb Bush didn't intend for the stand your ground law to apply in circumstances like the Tryvon Martin case.

  • imageEliseB0323:
    So does this essentially outlaw abortion in TN?  How can this be legal?

    And essentially outlaw IVF... 

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  • image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    So what happens to the embryos from IVF? 

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  • imageMommaG123:

    imageEliseB0323:
    So does this essentially outlaw abortion in TN?  How can this be legal?

    And essentially outlaw IVF... 

    Can you clarify? I didn't think most people destroyed unused embryos. And it doesn't seem like destroying non-viable embryos would count (does the actual legislation say fetus?).

    Stem cell research? Maybe. But again, if the bill says fetus, an embryo is not a fetus.

    Not that I don't think this is an appaling and dangerous bill.

    ETA: I see that the OP does say embryo, so, yeah, no stem cell research in TN. Who needs to be able to walk and stuff?

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  • imagemsmerymac:

    Can you clarify? I didn't think most people destroyed unused embryos. And it doesn't seem like destroying non-viable embryos would count (does the actual legislation say fetus?).

    I haven't read the bill and am not an expert on IVF by any means. I don't know how many unused embryos are destroyed.  Essentially might have been the wrong word to use, possibly would have been better.   

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  • http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120424/NEWS0201/304230087/Embryo-bill-passes-TN-Senate

    It is supposed to be an additional criminal charge when there is an assault, but I can see where this is going as I flail my arms.

  • image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    How exactly do they define "harming"? A third takes a knife and jams it in a pregnant woman's gut?  The pregnant woman has an abortion? A third party lights up a ciggie while next to a pregnant woman? The pregnant woman takes a drag off a ciggie? The pregnant woman drives 5 miles over the speed limit?

  • imageVelvetshady:

    image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    How exactly do they define "harming"? A third takes a knife and jams it in a pregnant woman's gut?  The pregnant woman has an abortion? A third party lights up a ciggie while next to a pregnant woman? The pregnant woman takes a drag off a ciggie? The pregnant woman drives 5 miles over the speed limit?

    What about an accident during birth?

    Edit: b/c I am an idiot.

  • imageVelvetshady:

    image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    How exactly do they define "harming"? A third takes a knife and jams it in a pregnant woman's gut?  The pregnant woman has an abortion? A third party lights up a ciggie while next to a pregnant woman? The pregnant woman takes a drag off a ciggie? The pregnant woman drives 5 miles over the speed limit?

    Or a woman with pre-diabetes knowingly gets pregnant, gets GD, the baby has a big chest, gets shoulder dystocia and brain damage.

    Or an IVF tech accidentally drops a petri dish (never actually heard of this happenning, but I'm sure there are accidents).

    Or, you know, listeria. Or an IUD - they prevent implantation.

  • imageKnitty:
    imageVelvetshady:

    image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    How exactly do they define "harming"? A third takes a knife and jams it in a pregnant woman's gut?  The pregnant woman has an abortion? A third party lights up a ciggie while next to a pregnant woman? The pregnant woman takes a drag off a ciggie? The pregnant woman drives 5 miles over the speed limit?

    Or a woman with pre-diabetes knowingly gets pregnant, gets GD, the baby has a big chest, gets shoulder dystocia and brain damage.

    Or an IVF tech accidentally drops a petri dish (never actually heard of this happenning, but I'm sure there are accidents).

    Or, you know, listeria. Or an IUD - they prevent implantation.

    Lunch meat will be a controlled substance for pregnant women. 

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  • imagetartaruga:
    imageKnitty:
    imageVelvetshady:

    image3.27.04_Helper:
    TN passed legislation yesterday that makes harming an embryo murder.

    How exactly do they define "harming"? A third takes a knife and jams it in a pregnant woman's gut?  The pregnant woman has an abortion? A third party lights up a ciggie while next to a pregnant woman? The pregnant woman takes a drag off a ciggie? The pregnant woman drives 5 miles over the speed limit?

    Or a woman with pre-diabetes knowingly gets pregnant, gets GD, the baby has a big chest, gets shoulder dystocia and brain damage.

    Or an IVF tech accidentally drops a petri dish (never actually heard of this happenning, but I'm sure there are accidents).

    Or, you know, listeria. Or an IUD - they prevent implantation.

    Lunch meat will be a controlled substance for pregnant women. 

    Or worse, no Skittles for pregnant pre-diabetic women Surprise

  • imageMommaG123:
    imagemsmerymac:

    Can you clarify? I didn't think most people destroyed unused embryos. And it doesn't seem like destroying non-viable embryos would count (does the actual legislation say fetus?).

    I haven't read the bill and am not an expert on IVF by any means. I don't know how many unused embryos are destroyed.  Essentially might have been the wrong word to use, possibly would have been better.   

    I assume lots of unused embryos are destroyed.  How many people want to pay for storage indefinitely?  I know there's theoretically embryo adoption, but I've only heard of one person pursuing that, although they didn't go through with it (they had no fertility issues, but were just, at least in theory, so pro-life they wanted to do it).
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  • But you guys!  There's nothing to worry about!  This isn't about abortion!  It's about other stuff and things of that nature and such.  Your rights are perfectly intact and still important!
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