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S/o any non-vaxxers on this board?
There seem to be a lot of people against vaccinations, including routine ones, on the Bump. Personally, I'm pro-vax, especially as a frequent traveller. I have all the recommended vaccinations plus many travel recommended ones (ie malaria, hep) and I always get a flu shot since airplanes seem to hand out the flu.
Im curious if anyone on this board who frequently travels outside the US or Canada doesn't vaccinate.
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Re: S/o any non-vaxxers on this board?
I have never received any travel vaccinations nor do I get the flu shot. I travel at least 3 times a year overseas, sometimes more. It has nothing to do with having kids (I don't have any and will never have any), but rather I just don't see the need unless it's 100% required to get into a country. I work with a lot of veterans and current reservists, though, and have seen what some vaccinations can do. One of my co-workers is in Afghanistan right now and he got violently ill from his shots. Granted, he got WAY more than any normal traveler would need, but why should I put myself through that? FWIW, I fly almost every weekend domestically as well and have not gotten the flu in the last few years that I have been doing that. I just wipe everything down and use hand sanitizer.
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I wouldn't really say I'm anti-vaccinations, but I don't go out of my way to take any that aren't required. I've had the Hep A/B shots, but mostly because of my profession, and Yellow Fever because it's required for some places we've traveled. The YF vaccine made me really sick, and I find that tends to be the case with most vaccines I take, so I avoid if I can. I've never had the flu vaccine. I figure I've made it 30 years without one so far, why start now?
I hate the flu shot. I got the flu horribly bad all times that I have gotten the vaccine. Now, I avoid it and no flu. I vaccinate my kids, but they are on a delayed schedule. For example, DD and DS didn't get Hep B at birth. They got it at their Month 2 well-baby visits. As infants they have appointments every month 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. instead of the typical 2,4,6, etc. On those odd months, they are nurse visits only when they are getting vaccines. I got DTAP when DD was born in February because Pertussis was on the rise in the county I lived in at that time in Cincinnati. I'm highly in favor of vaccines for the illnesses and diseases that are caused by just being in the general pubic - MMR, DTAP, etc. I'm not so eager to vaccinate my kids (but, I do) for what I call lifestyle diseases (HPV, Hep B.) that are usually and mostly contracted by sexual activity. Tell me why my 2 month old needs to be vaccinated for Hep B when it is predominately a disease spread by lifestyle choices involving drug use, multiple sex partners, etc.?
I think PP's are not really grasping what a true "anti-vaxer" is. They are crackpots who don't vaccinate their children against basic, serious stuff.
They are idiots in general, and would be a million kinds of stupid to go to a developing country without vaccinations against these sorts of diseases. Or any country! Or the grocery store down the block. Or anywhere that has people.
You're awesome.
Amen! I teach school, and I get so sick of hearing parents say they refuse to vaccinate because it causes autism. No folks, it doesn't, but don't come whining to me when your kids get the mumps.
And if your kids mumps cause an infant too young to be vaccinated to get sick/die, may you rot in prison for life.
Pound me in the ass prison, not white collar jail.
I just choked on my cereal
Very true though. Hence my curiosity if anyone here is that is completely anti-vax still travels out of the country.
Although, now that I think of it, most adults ARE vaccinated against those diseases. The anti-vax movement (I think) has been in the last 10 years or so. So its more the children. I'm curious to know then if people would take their kids overseas without having routine vaccinations.
FWIW, we were contemplating a trip to Germany this summer when the baby would only be about 8 weeks old. One of the reasons i was hesitant was because the baby wouldn't have been vaccinated against many things yet. My GP said it wasn't a big deal because of where we were travelling to, but he wouldn't take them to the Caribbean without their first few sets of shots.
We had to postpone the trip anyway, but I was definitely cautious about travelling without the baby having their vaccinations. Which reminds me, I need to look into them getting their Hep vaccinations before Mexico next winter. NOt sure if they do them on infants.
Oh, and for the poster who doesn't want their 2-month old vaccinated against something that is 'lifestyle related' - I would be very careful with that reasoning. Hep A (?) is spread through contaminated food (not just needles and sex!) and if you wait until you think your kid is sexually active, you might be 3 years too late. I'm not saying you need to do it at 2-months, but I would definitely do it WAY before puberty.
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Yep, totally misunderstood the question, but glad I did. I totally agree with this!
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I believe in vaccination but this is absurd.
But many adults aren't actually vaccinated because their immunity from childhood vaccines has diminished and they haven't received boosters. Most adults don't web realize you need boosters! Tetanus seems to be the only thing most adults care about for some reason.
The adult booster for pertussis is new, and the adult MMR awareness campaign was about 10-15 years ago, but women get reminders when ttc.
The mothering anti-vaccine board routinely has posts from people heading to the third world without vaccines.
I travel all the time and have never gotten a flu shot. I also spaced out DD's vaccinations, but she was mostly up-to-date by the time we took her anywhere internationally. We flew to Cuba in the middle of a dengue fever outbreak and I just tried to be really vigilant about bug cream since there's no vaccination for that.
Honestly, there's not a vaccination for all the things you can pick up while traveling. You still need to be careful about what you eat and hand-washing, etc.
ETA: Just saw Wise Rita's comment. I know what a non-vaxxer is, but was mainly responding to the comment that airplanes seem to hand out the flu. So, the OP was mixing definitions of non-vaxxers, not me as a respondent.
We fully vaccinated our daughter on time according to the Canadian schedule.
I hedged a bit on Hep B. But our doctor said "You live downtown. Do you see needles lying around?" The answer was yes. All the time. Did I want our daughter to pick one up and poke herself? No. The chances of that were so slim, but it was enough of an argument to keep her on schedule for that one.
I also wondered about chicken pox.... but then I thought "Sure, my daughter could probably handle getting c.pox no problem, but what if she had it and passed it on to a kid who couldn't?" Again, I let her get that shot, too.
I should have clarified routine vaccinations.
Chicken pox is not a routine vaccination everywhere in the world. DD's school administrators here in France were really surprised when I handed them her vaccination card for registration and they saw she had that.
They don't offer it in the UK either