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Re: Are there any actual logical, rational reasons against SS marriage?
I am open to hearing secular assertions.
http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/62529030.aspx
Im sure their sausage would be amazing.
Here is one writer's attempt to explain it --
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2007/07/marriage_trademarked.html
He doesn't agree with the reasoning (neither do I), but there you have it.
Don't forget the fear that God will punish the all the sinners and their neighbors with natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina.
The only secular person I've ever heard say anything rational against gay marriage is my queer friend who doesn't believe in marriage at all.
Other than that, I'm stumped.
She actually brought up a good point in a talk we were having about it...She believes that a negative of gay marriage is that it creates a kind of yardstick of normalcy against which other gays and lesbians - who don't want to marry, or are elsewhere along the gender or sexual orientation spectrum, or in polyamorous relationships - will be measured. As though if you don't want to be in monogamous relationship you're not the "right kind of gay" that hetero people can fully understand and respect. And I get that.
But I think she's totally right in saying that if conservatives want gays and lesbians to act more like them, letting them get married is probably one of the best ways to do it.
Oh, that is fantastic. This...this is wine. Yeah. Look what all these idiots are drinking. Look at these dicks! Obviously it's not really delicious, like hot chocolate or Coke, but for wine...brilliant.
This is honest to goodness realllly close to what people seem to think. I can't even begin to try not to run away screaming for fear that I'm speaking with an alien.
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The little children of course. What about the CHILDREN!! /snark
Opponents use all of the same arguments used against interracial marriage including "it will be hard for the children - they will be bullied" - by ignoramuses like us of course.
Ha, I just posted this same thing in the NC thread.
I have a bunch of these friends too. Their view extends it a bit in that it's not just being the "right kind of gay," it stretches into having issues with marriage because of those in hetero relationships that don't want marriage.
If you really want to hear an exposition of some of the sides, read this:
http://www.law.upenn.edu/cf/faculty/awax/workingpapers/b59RutgersLR377(2007).pdf
I haven't read the full thing, but the author was a (my favorite) professor at my law school and did a lunch time talk about her upcoming publication. A few gay students went to hear why she was "against" gay marriage and were stumped when trying to find a way to argue with her.
All I remember was her explaining why it SS marriage wasn't legal yet and why that makes sense. Like I said, at the time, none of us could find a way to logically get around her point.
Of course, this may have to do with her being absolutely freaking brilliant (she was a neurosurgeon before law school and transferred from Harvard Law School to Columbia because she was doing some resident stuff in NYC before finishing law school. Also, she was at the time, the woman who had argued in front of SCOTUS the second-most and remembers John Roberts from her days at the DOJ or Solicitor General or something).
They'd just be joining the rest of the world. There are lots of straight people who don't want to get married, either. But maybe the whole thing is being secretly funded by a mega-wealthy gay person who doesn't want to have to tell their boy/girlfriend they don't want to get married.