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Healthcare law upheld
Under the taxation code not commerce code....thoughts? I'm conflicted.
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Re: Healthcare law upheld
Jonathan Dean 4.5.08
Anna Capri 5.4.11
Kell, this was written pre-decision but it gives you an idea of what could have happened in each scenario.
http://lowersouthampton.patch.com/blog_posts/supreme-court-decision-looming-on-health-care-reform
mzovoce, you are right. See below in bold.
Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli made the following statement, expressing his disappointment in the decision:
?This is a dark day for the American people, the Constitution, and the rule of law. This is a dark day for American liberty.
This decision goes against the very principle that America has a federal government of limited powers; a principle that the Founding Fathers clearly wrote into the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. The Constitution was meant to restrict the power of government precisely for the purpose of protecting your liberty and mine from the overreaching hand of the federal government.
This unprecedented decision says that Congress has the authority to force citizens to buy private goods or face fines - a power it has never had in American history, and a power King George III and Parliament didn't have over us when we were mere subjects of Great Britain. Since the federal government itself could never articulate to the court a constitutional limit to this power, Congress has gained an unlimited power to force citizens to buy anything.
I am disappointed with the court's ruling and with the unprecedented attack on American liberty the president and the previous Congress have created with this law.?
Soon after, Senate candidate and former Virginia governor George Allen released the following statement, also expressing his disappointment:
?While disappointed in the Supreme Court's decision on President Obama's health care law, I believe it reinforces what is truly at stake during this pivotal election. This November the American people have an opportunity to choose new leadership in Washington who will listen to their voices and repeal this costly, harmful government health care law.
My opponent believes this health care law is a 'great achievement,' but I believe it's an infringement on individual liberty and free enterprise. As I have traveled throughout Virginia, I have heard from families, small business owners and seniors seriously concerned about the harmful impact of this health care law and how it is increasing costs, discouraging businesses from hiring, and trespassing on religious freedom.
I want to be the deciding vote to repeal this health care law. Virginians and Americans would be better served by reforms that deliver on the promise of reducing costs, increasing access to quality care, and put people - not government - in control of their health care. We need health care reforms that provide Americans with affordable, portable, and personal market-based health care solutions including Health Savings Accounts..."Don't trust Virginians.....
- signed
mzovoce, born and bred in Fredericksburg VA
haha well I don't trust Obama so I don't know what's better at this point. I think I'm going to stick with the Virginians, though.
i think the above bolded is kinda bullsh!t, HSA's will NOT do a muthaf#cking thing to help control costs.
We'll just agree to disagree because IMHO, today is pretty much a sad day in America.
i guess we will, bc i'm seriously failing to see what is "sad" about this. i get not being in agreement with the decision or the policy itself, but essentially requiring everyone to have health insurance will never be a sad day in my book as the mandate (now known as the "tax") is the instrument by which people with pre-ex can now purchase insurance! and for someone whose job is 100% based on the group insurance market (which means i could essentially be out of a job when the exchanges come into play), i'm still ok with this
Do you think it was a sad day when the government mandated public schools or public park or public water or public highways.
Don't worry we all survive public healthcare too.
T-Money- I just took like 15 minutes writing out a list of reasons why but then as I was on my last point, I deleted it bc I don't want you thinking I'm yelling at you. We'll just duke it out at the polls, haha. I don't want you think I'm hating on you.
I believe certain things should be mandated, yes. However, I want a choice in my healthcare. There is no question there needs to be a health care reform but IMO, this isn't it. We have too much government in our lives as it is. Like I said above, I wrote up an entire list but I'll refrain from posting. Not trying to pick a fight.
ftr, i'd never think that of you...we may be on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but i still got love for ya!
Im a big girl I can take it.
Lets be honest healthcare companies have not allowed us to have a choice since HMO were created. Even on a ppo we have limited choice. This is just cracking the problem with health care in America.
Just saw that! Aint that some sh!t!
I will say this again -- if someone is actually going to argue for an American's right NOT to have health insurance, then I want the job of telling the ***to eff off when he shows up uninsured at the ER.
I blows my mind that people don't realize we are all paying for the uninsured already. And that the supposedly brilliant business man the very same people against the mandate are supporting in this election is actually the one who came up with the plan to fix this problem and save everyone money in the first place.
Obama needs to send Romney a muffin basket to thank him for the great idea in the first place.
Also, I am LOLing and thousand LOLs that the justice who put this over the edge is actually a Bush appointee.
I mean, we all know that Obama and his evil socialist Muslim healthcare nazis probably put Bush up to it, but still...
I'm still not sure where I stand on the issue, I'm very lucky with the health insurance I have at my employer, but if I were to switch jobs I would likely face problems getting insured due to a pre-existing condition (surgery to remove a brain tumor).
That said, I don't get how requiring people to participate in health insurance programs differs from the law that requires automobile insurance if you are going to operate a vehicle. I am more familiar with PA car insurance laws, but I believed that in most states (except for four non-compulsory states--VA, MS, MD, NH) if you don't have proof of insurance when operating a vehicle, you could face serious fines and/or lose driving privileges. And, there are minimum coverage levels that vary from each state, but if you want to go higher for personal protection, it is at the discretion of the driver to do so.
Again, I have yet to read the majority and dissenting opinions--I've gotta dedicate some time to fully injest it, rather than get the bullet points from media or the internet.
I personally like a lot of the provisions of the plan. The contraceptive coverage, the 100% coverage for preventative care, esp for the baby. I also hated the fact that insurance companies could charge women more for coverage just because we have the wonderful ability to give birth.
I honestly don't see how Romney has any credibility at all when he talks about repealing the ACA. Essentially he created it. It was one of his biggest legislative accomplishments. Like Amy said, all Obama has to do in a debate is get up there and say, "Thanks for the idea, dude."
Finally, I'm one of the liberals that thinks the ACA didn't go far enough. I would have liked a public option. People have a right to have the best chance possible to be healthy. The more classes I take in nursing the more I shake my head at health disparities that occur largely due to income and lack of health insurance.
And as long as you have doctors and nurses who are ethical enough to provide everyone with care when they show up at the ER, there will be a reason to encourage everyone to buy health insurance. I'm grateful that hospitals do this, as I would hate to show up at the ER unconscious and have them waste precious time attempting to find out if I was insured or not.
I suppose conservatives feel the way a good portion on my side of the aisle felt in 2000 after Bush v. Gore... I'm seeing a few people on FB offering to start their own country or move.