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Eliminating Kindergarten

Apparently this is being put on the table by our school district for budgetary reasons.  Is anyone familiar with any area/school district that has actually gone through with this?
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Re: Eliminating Kindergarten

  • no but just curious, What would happen to kids that age? Just sit in daycare another year?
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  • We have certain areas where public K was reduced from a full-day to a half-day but I am not aware of getting rid of it all together.  This just seems contradictory to all the other information indicating that kindergarten is becoming more difficult than when we grew up.  How will they be prepared for 1st grade?
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  • imageringstrue:
    no but just curious, What would happen to kids that age? Just sit in daycare another year?

    pretty much, word on the street is that parents would have to find a "private solution" as 1st grade would have similar age restrictions as K does now, kids would need to be 6 on or before 8/1

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  • Wut? This is insane to me.


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  • How does that work?  With more testing I thought K was becoming more structured and actual learning was supposed to take place.  Are they going to expect parents/daycare to prepare these kids for first grade?
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    Our state is going in the opposite direction - just mandated full day kindergarten.
  • Kindergarten here is expanding.  Kids start JK the calendar year they turn 4 (so some kids start as young as 3y9m) and they are rolling in all-day, every-day programs province wide.

    Eliminating kindergarten seems kind of crazy.

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  • Yeah my town just went from half time to full time K. I can't imagine going in the opposite direction---scary.
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  • i wish i knew how they really plan for this to work. i had been living under the assumption that K was required, but evidently PA is one of 9 states where districts are not required to offer kindergarten

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  • Parents would likely have to pay for private Kindergarten. I know some other countries do this.

  • that will just make the achievement gap exponentially larger. Those hurt are the poor. Those with money can just pay for another year at a good preschool.

     

    HORRIBLE idea. HORRIBLE. 

  • I think we're heading in the opposite direction - at some point my state is supposedly going to start offering public pre-k, so I can't see us getting rid of K any time soon.  How bizarre.
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  • imageTianacheron:

    i wish i knew how they really plan for this to work. i had been living under the assumption that K was required, but evidently PA is one of 9 states where districts are not required to offer kindergarten

    Even when it's required to be offered, I don't think kindergarten is compulsory.



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    imageTianacheron:

    i wish i knew how they really plan for this to work. i had been living under the assumption that K was required, but evidently PA is one of 9 states where districts are not required to offer kindergarten

    Kindergarten is only mandated in 13 or 14 states. I was surprised to learn this as well.  

    ETA: that's probably mandated K attendance. We have some public pre-K options but because of so few spots available, I think they are thinking of turning some pre-K classes into K. So things can go forward and then backward again :/

  •  Honestly, I think your school district is trying to force the state's hand by saying "Well, if you don't give us more money, our children will not be able to go to Kindergarten."  Cue public outrage.

    I doubt Kindergarten will go.

    However, if K wasn't funded, I could see people enrolling their kids in private K programs. People who couldn't afford private K would likely get some kind of aid to be able to send their kids to a private program.

    I would check out the private schools in your area just to be prepared and lobby your state officials.  But I wouldn't worry about it too much. 

     

  • They can do this? Isn't the state supposed to provide K - 12 schools? Wouldn't that affect federal funding, etc.? I'm confused.
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  • That is insane.  I can see this creating class warfare.  Do you live in a poor district?
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    That is insane.  I can see this creating class warfare.  Do you live in a poor district?

    nope, not at all

    http://www.homesurfer.com/schoolreports/view/schoolreports.cfm?LEAID=4210870

    GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT has a spending per pupil rate of 16938. This compares with a rate of 11677 in Pennsylvania and a rate of 9698 nationally. GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT is in the 97.4% percentile rank in the state for Spending Per Pupil. It is in the 93% percentile rank nationally. Higher numbers are better. In this case, 97.4% of cities in Pennsylvania spend the same or less than GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT. Said another way, 2.6% of schools in Pennsylvania spend more than GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

     

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  • imagejenniloveselvis:
    They can do this? Isn't the state supposed to provide K - 12 schools? Wouldn't that affect federal funding, etc.? I'm confused.

    Yes, they can do this.  It was explained to me that in PA K is "permissive" so the district doesn't have to offer it if they dont want to, although i'm not sure what the implications of federal funding would be.

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  • imageTianacheron:

    imageCharacterZero:
    That is insane.  I can see this creating class warfare.  Do you live in a poor district?

    nope, not at all

    http://www.homesurfer.com/schoolreports/view/schoolreports.cfm?LEAID=4210870

    GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT has a spending per pupil rate of 16938. This compares with a rate of 11677 in Pennsylvania and a rate of 9698 nationally. GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT is in the 97.4% percentile rank in the state for Spending Per Pupil. It is in the 93% percentile rank nationally. Higher numbers are better. In this case, 97.4% of cities in Pennsylvania spend the same or less than GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT. Said another way, 2.6% of schools in Pennsylvania spend more than GREAT VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

     

    eta: above stats

    Why are you spending so much on educating kids?

    Do you have bloated administration? A lot of really expensive special ed kids?  That number seems really high.

     

  • PA schooling drives me nuts. It's why PA parents send their kids to DE schools whenever possible.

    No kindergarten is like my worst nightmare right now. Even worse than no free, all day Pre-K.

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  • imageTianacheron:

    imageringstrue:
    no but just curious, What would happen to kids that age? Just sit in daycare another year?

    pretty much, word on the street is that parents would have to find a "private solution" as 1st grade would have similar age restrictions as K does now, kids would need to be 6 on or before 8/1

    I know of places where it's the case. It seems it would create a terrible two-tier system, of poorer kids who spend another 12 months in the cheapest possible care (ie, low quality), and the more affluent kids who pay to go to K.

  • That's crazy!

    PS I work in Great Valley, so hello neighbor!

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  • Kindergarten isn't mandatory in NYC so the people who withhold their children for whatever reasons are hindering their children from excelling in first grade and beyond.  I taught first grade in NYC once and I only had 4 kids that I actually went to kindergarten and it definitely was evident in their behavior and academics.  Needless to say, I was no longer interested after that long, tiring year.
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