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Niece drama

Backstory: my brother has been with his wife for 14 years. The wife had a daughter before they were together. My brother has been her father for 14 of the 17 years she's been alive. My brother and his wife are in the process of divorcing. The daughter moved out 6 or so months ago and lives with a friend. She hates her mom and inthe teen years started hating my brother/her step dad. My niece has minimal contact with family, but called my mom and asked if she could come to the family Christmas party, which of course she was more than welcome to attend. She then called a few weeks later and asked if she could come to thanksgiving too. Again, she was told she was more than welcome. Thanksgiving seemed to go well, aunts, uncles, cousins were all excited to see her after almost a year. 

We get to today... After dinner I look at her twitter page and it says (paraphrase) "so glad I came all this way to spend time with the family I hate the most" all in caps. Ok, ow. Thanks a bunch. Then a little while later she tweets about her great grandma who says (paraphrasing) "you won't go to college, you're fat, and should wear more makeup". I wasn't there for the supposed convo but I am 99.9% sure that's nothing like what was actually said. Now I am really hurt and upset. You hate us and you make your great grandmother look like a complete b*tch, not cool. So she comes downstairs and I said "X, enough with the tweets." she's like "I don't know what you're talking about". I say " I'm not going to embarrass you by reading them out loud, but knock it off". Two minutes later there's a tweet of "pretty sure the 1st amendment gives me the right to free speech, stop reading if it makes you mad". I just want to knock her upside the head and be like we are the only ones who actually give a damn about you and you talk about us like we are the most evil people in the world. Now Christmas is coming and she will be here, maybe if she doesn't back out, and I don't even want to have her because I feel like she hates us and just looks for the bad. Not to mention I don't want to spend a penny on her gift if I am such an awful person. 

No one else read the tweets and it would break my moms heart if she did see them, but I just feel like she is kind to our face and then gives us the middle finger as soon as we tur. Around, but she's more than willing to take our presents and acts of kindness. 

How would you feel? Am I letting this dumb 17 yo drama get the better of me? Suggestions for Xmas gifts? It just makes me sad that the family tries to keep her connected to us and she is ungrateful about everything. 

Re: Niece drama

  • If it were me, I would go at her with guilt. Maybe say, "you know we all love you so much and I can't believe you would say those things. Especially what you wrote about grandmother, you know she adores you", etc., etc.

    It may at least get her to thinking about her behavior. If not, and she continues to act this way, I would just ignore her and I would not be purchasing her a Christmas gift.

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  • This is a great deal of divisiveness on your niece's part. It would be a good idea for her to get some type of intervention so that she can come to terms with her parents splitting up.

    She's got no right to be rude and combative with you. None whatsoever.
  • She is 17, her life hasn't been as picture perfect as she may have wanted. I'm not excusing her words on twitter, but you are an adult and she is a hurt 17 year old ahole. 

    She will one day regret her words as she grows up and matures. Be the adult and keep loving her, but always call her out on her BS. It's good for her. ;) 

  • Hmmm, hard to say... More than the ugly tweets I'd be concerned with the fact that she showed no remorse whatsoever when you called her out on them. I'm not sure what I would do, I think I'd relay the story to your mother and let her decide if she wants to have a come to jesus talk with the niece about her behaviour. In her position I certainly would want to say something, for "educational" reasons and just to see what the big issue is with this girl. FTR, my life wasn't picture perfect either but I still didn't/wouldn't insult loving family behind their backs at 17.

    That said, may I ask, how does a 17 year old just move out of the house?  

  • She was breaking curfew and doing all the typical rebellious teenager things (drinking, pot, sex) and her parents wEre trying to reign her in and it came down to her running away. They got the message to her that either she come home or the police would be called to report a runaway and she walked in the door minutes before the deadline. But that had only made everything worse for everyone. I don't know the exact details of how she convinced someone to take her in or what was said when the friends mom came to talk to her parents, but she moved in with the friend. I think everyone, besides the daughter, thought it would be a short stay. It has been 6 months or more now. She is graduating high school soon and has been accepted to college so she'll be leaving for that. 
  • Some of this is normal teenage rebellion.  I think many kids go through a "I hate my parents" phase, and this is hers. 

    I wouldn't totally shun her and give her NO gifts, but at the same time, I would find a way to instill a few consequences to her behavior.  She does need to understand that her words DO have an effect on other people - which is another point.  Social media didn't exist when we were kids.  We didn't have that "outlet", and while it's the norm for her - CLEARLY her words are read by the people she's complaning about.  And that IS going to have consequences.  Right now, it's family.  But eventually- she could do herself even more serious damage if she doesn't learn NOW that her actions have consequences.

    I think she needs to know she is loved and always has family there for her, but yeah... you don't need to turn a blind eye and just unconditionally accept her behavior.  You can give her some consequences while also still being there for her.

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  • When you say "I don't want to have her...." is it your house?  Or your mom's?  Because if it's your mom's it's not your choice. 

    I would take the high road - - and when I say that I mean take the high road for your own good, not for hers. You will be able to say you were kind to her, and hopefully she will outgrow this.  You can AVOID her at the party as much as possible / only make small talk - but I would not uninvite her.

    For a gift I would get a giftcard to starbucks, dunkin' donuts (if she goes to either place) or target - don't waste time on something personal and special for someone so unappreciative.  Make it minimal (more because she is 17 and not a kid anymore than b/c she is a b*tch). 

    Yes, you are letting the dumb 17 yo drama get to you.  Think about it - when you see people you are not attached posting negative things "their own personal drama" on FB or twitter-- it is just so pathetic!  Definately a cry for attention and a "poor me" attitude that will get her nowhere in life.  She is going to attract broken people as long as she is like that. 

    And I think you were right to call her on the tweets.  Not to show the rest of your family how mean and spiteful she is, but so she knows that you know.  

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  • imageMLE2010:

    She is 17, her life hasn't been as picture perfect as she may have wanted. I'm not excusing her words on twitter, but you are an adult and she is a hurt 17 year old ahole. 

    She will one day regret her words as she grows up and matures. Be the adult and keep loving her, but always call her out on her BS. It's good for her. ;) 

    I agree with this..she sounds like a teenager. When she said don't look at her twitter... shes right, if you don't want to know the BS she is posting on twitter, don't suscribe to her. Your her aunt not her friend and even if she is deep down gratefull to be included in the family events, she might be trying to keep a front up or keep her story of "hating her family" in front of her friends (who she is more likely hoping will read her tweets).

    Keep loving her, "heap burning coals on her head with acts of kindness". Theres nothing wrong with letting her know what was said isn't nice, but you can't make her "feel remorseful" so just kill her with kindness until she grows up and realizes the blessing it is to have extended family that is willing to be in her life through a turbulant teenage years with a absent dad and then the divorce from the only dad she's likely known added to the mix

  • it's too bad that you confronted her like that. how did you expect her to respond?

    i mean you can take the high or low road here. you can answer the tweet either way 'sorry you feel like that it was great to see you and we enjoyed your company' OR 'you hate us so much i guess you wont be joining us after all for christmas'.

    she's 17. she's not an infant. if she can give it she's got to be able to take it too. lesson of life.

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  • imagealithebride:

    it's too bad that you confronted her like that. how did you expect her to respond?

    i mean you can take the high or low road here. you can answer the tweet either way 'sorry you feel like that it was great to see you and we enjoyed your company' OR 'you hate us so much i guess you wont be joining us after all for christmas'.

    she's 17. she's not an infant. if she can give it she's got to be able to take it too. lesson of life.

    I vote this. She is not a baby, just acting like one. She will be in

    college next year, I say tough love is needed.  And would go with

    the second one. 

    And why would one reward this girl with presents? I really don't get

    that.

  • At this point, she knows you see them. Honestly, as hard as this could be, I would keep taking the high road and be welcoming to her...even if it means seeing nasty tweets afterwards that are full of lies. Sounds like she is going through a lot right now and if you still love her through all of that, you'll make a lasting impression long past this phase of teenage a-hole-ness
  • It sounds like somewhat typical hormonal 17 year old behavior to me, albeit more extreme. But I find it curious that you didn't even consider that maybe her great grandmother really DID say something like that? I know my grandparents are wonderful people who only mean well.. but in the past they have said things to a cousin or two of mine who were not on the "right path" that I thought was downright mean.. their heart is in the right place but they do not know how to go about it the right way. Are you sure she just really wasn't hurt by something that was said to her? I don't agree either way with how she reacted to it, but 17 year old kids are not always the best at handling difficult situations and sometimes feel their only outlet is venting.
  • Well here's the update: My mom asked what the tweets said and I told her. I also told her that I thought X had snuck out during the weekend to go drinking. My mom said she figured as much when she heard her clomping in the downstairs bathroom (my mom is legally deaf, to wake her up she must have been knocking things over and making A LOT of noise). She knocked on the bathroom door and X opened it. My mom asked her what she was doing and she said she was just going to the bathroom, she was up watching tv. My mom played along, but said she noticed she had her sneakers on and it was 3am so she knew it was probably a lie. My mom said when she told my brother that X asked to come to xmas, and then called and asked to come to T-day too, he told my mom that it is all an act and she shouldn't trust X. My mom was hurt and ignorant and thought for sure X wanted to visit family and see the one steady pillar in her life (this side of the family). Seems it was all a ploy though. My mom's feelings are crushed that X just seems to want to use her and "hates" her. Even if it is just stupid teenage twitter-words it still hurts all of us. My mom was planning on calling her this week to have a heart to heart, but I fear X will just pull the wool over her eyes and patch everything up all while still plotting to get whatever it is that she wants. This side of the family is not rich by any means, but would give her the shirt off their backs if she asked... which she would... on the coldest day of the year with no remorse or gratitude. I don't think my mom is going to extend an open invitation to her anymore. Maybe if X apologizes on her own or does something to show she has changed in the coming years my mom would change her mind but right now I think she is very hurt. Everyone learns the hard way that words have consequences, but unfortunately for X she really crossed the line and may have ruined a relationship too. 
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