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Rental advice needed...

Hi Everyone! I'm new to the nest, very fimilar with the knot, needing some advice and thought you all may be able to help. I apoligize if im posting this in the wrong spot! Husband and I live in a very small town in iowa, in a 2 bedroom apartment. It's not an apartment complex, just 2 builidings, 6 apts each, owned by a local guy. So we have our Electricty through a company called Alliant. We have our gas through MidAmerican. The ONLY THING that is gas is our heat. So MidAmerican is basically a winter bill. Since we live on the 2nd floor, and heat rises...we have never used our heat. this is our 3rd winter in the apartment. I know this sounds silly but weve just never gotten "turn the heat on" cold. we did have a small space heater, that we used occasionally in our bedroom but i broke the knob on it and we never replaced it. So for almost 3 years our MidAmerican bill has come with a balance of 10.10. just to have the line active. annoying and a waste but every month i waste a stamp and send em a check! So last summer MidAmerican sent us a letter, saying they had noticed the meter read being the same every month and wanting to know if we wanted to continue the service. so i called them and they said it was not nessicary for us to have the line active if we weren't using it and they suggested we switch it off. ok fine. Well our landlord got a letter from MidAmerican saying we had switched it off and so he called us and left us a voice mail saying that by the winter months, we would need to have it reconnected for heat use, again annoyed, but whatever. so november of 2011 i called midamerican and had it reconnected. never used it, 10.10 bill every month. so fast forward to october 2012 midamerican called me, left me a voicemail, they just wanted to make sure the apt was still occupied. ok well clearly if someone is sending you a check every month. the apt is occupied but whatever. so before i could call them back they called the landlord. so he called us and told us that come this winter the heat needed to be used. ok fine this was october who cared about heat. so again fast forward to today. Midamerican calls me, leaves me voice mail, again they want to know if the apartment is occupied because the meter read is STILL reading 0. Shortly after I get the voice mail from midamerican, our landlord calls husband. He says that Mid American called him again. and that he is going to start checking with MidAmerican on our usage, and that if we are not using our heat, he will have no chocie but to assume we are using space heaters, and evict us. I'm so angry right now I'm crying!!! First of all, can he require us to use our heat? thats about the craziest thing i've ever heard! what if we didn't use electricty?! Second, how can you say you will evict us, based on assume ing something? Third, can he call MidAmerican and find out usage? I'm sorry this is so long but I am so angry right now!!

Re: Rental advice needed...

  • The only thing I can think of that make make your landlord want you to use your heat and consider not doing so an evictable offense is that your pipes could freeze if it gets too cold. Maybe that's why he's so worried about it?
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    The only thing I can think of that make make your landlord want you to use your heat and consider not doing so an evictable offense is that your pipes could freeze if it gets too cold. Maybe that's why he's so worried about it?
    Exactly this!!!! Pipe freezing and bursting is a huge problem in colder climates, like in Iowa. I know this really sucks for you since it's awesome to save so much money. But you should really use heat at least at 55 or 60 degrees in the winter time to prevent freezing. If you had a pipe burst, the landlord would have to pay insurance costs on his property or some repairs. Also, your stuff and the stuff in the other units could get ruined (hopefully you have renters' insurance, which is a separate topic). Also, utility bils are usually confidential, so I'm not sure if your landlord could access your bill. Or, if he should be legally allowed to do so. Also, unless he has a "no space heater clause" in his rental agreement, you should be able to use them. But, some ARE fire hazards...the ones that get hot to the touch and don't have tip-over sensors. Bottom line, use the heat even if it's set to low in the winter.
  • Yes, like PPs said, it's pipe hazard to never turn your heat on.  Just leave it on low at night or something.  It doesn't have to be super expensive.
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  • As a landlord, I would have the same concerns as he does. First, space heaters only heat up the space between the walls. They are not strong enough to heat the pipes inside the walls. One good burst pipe and both of you become liable for the damages to the overall house/apartment and your downstairs neighbors items. Second, space heaters are dangerous. I would bet that next year, when you renegotiate your lease, he adds a no space heater clause. Does it suck, sure. But as a landlord, I have to look at the safety of EVERYONE, not just the cost savings for one.
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  • From the sounds of your post, I would find a cold day and invite your landlord over to see how warm your apartment is without having to turn on the heat.  If the apartment is legitimately warm enough without using space heaters, this should take care of his concerns.
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  • I'm not a landlord but I'd be concerned if I thought my tenants were using space heaters to exclusively heat their place.  A lot of them are really not that safe and if something accidentally fell against it, it could start a fire.  There are some that are totally fine (we have an oil filled radiator style one for our unheated basement so there are no exposed coils to ignite anything) but they for the most part can be huge fire hazards.  

    I also lived in a 2nd floor apartment once upon a time and didn't need to use my heat all that much.  You could absolutely show your landlord that the place stays really warm without it, but I don't think that his concern about the situation is unfounded.  After all, he is the one who would have to deal with an uninhabitable building if a pipe bursts or the place burns down.   

  • Set your thermostat to 60, if it stays that warm then the gas wont kick on. if you want to continue using your space heater then do so.  you've been living there a while and nothings happen. so theres no point in changing especially knowing this winter is already going to be warmer.....  
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