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Sequester Question

Anyone have cliff notes for this?  The Sequester is one thing I have not followed at all.  I've pretty much stopped watching all news outlets because I think they are all biased so I try and read articles online but have been busy lately.  Will a budget actually be passed?  What cuts will be made?  I'm sure congress will wait till the very last minute like they did with the fiscal cliff.
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Re: Sequester Question

  • Check out Federal News Radio.  It's a rather good source of unopinionated news regarding such matters. 

    http://www.federalnewsradio.com/sequestration

    I have been following it (due to it very much affecting me) and still can't keep up or figure it out.  I will link some sources but give me a few to find them.

  • I believe that the sequester is necessary. There are no spending "cuts"; simply a reduction in the automatic spending increases. Departments aren't suddenly going to have less money on Friday than they did on Thursday. There will not be a shortage of chicken, more wildfires, or huge lines at the airport. Departments will simply have to spend a little more wisely and trim the fat; Though I have no doubt some will instead decide to furlough or lay off workers instead of cleaning up their spending habits. But then historically, whenever government employees have been furloughed in the past they have always received back pay.  Federal employees got their back pay the last time they suffered mass ?unpaid? furloughs during the 1996 government shutdown under President Bill Clinton.

    The sky is not falling.
  • Sequestration, by design, is a bad thing with hacking cuts.  That was the whole purpose. 

    The spin that this isn't really a big deal and palatable deserves kudos to the spin doctors who are selling that to their constituents.

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    Check out Federal News Radio.  It's a rather good source of unopinionated news regarding such matters. 

    http://www.federalnewsradio.com/sequestration

    I have been following it (due to it very much affecting me) and still can't keep up or figure it out.  I will link some sources but give me a few to find them.

    thanks for the link.  from what little i read just now, it doesn't sound good. 

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  • http://www.federalnewsradio.com/1007/3235326/Just-when-you-thought-it-couldnt-get-worse

    This round of furloughs won't likely receive backpay. It would take a last minute settlement to the current construct of the package that is forcing these cuts. 

    This article does a nice job of explaining how it is devastating but planes won't be falling out of the skies overnight. 

    Also on the horizon is March 27 when the previous continuing resolution expires. 

  • My guess is it would be delayed yet again so everyone can avoid it.
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  • imagevlagrl29:
    My guess is it would be delayed yet again so everyone can avoid it.

    Perhaps.  But we can only avoid it for so long.  The unknowing what will be done isn't doing job growth and the economy any favors though. 

    Putting it off only delays it...yet again.  And most voters are getting sick of that.  They (all sides) want to put this behind them in time for us to forget about it coming 2014 election cycle.

  • The OP asked if we thought a budget would be passed. I think it is important to remember that not one budget has been passed since Obama became president.

     

  • Presidents propose budgets. Congress passes it.

    Pesky details. 

     

  • I don't understand why they can't pass a dang budget!! That really irks me. Its like they don't want to be held accountable.  I know Obama has made budgets but his own party won't approve them. We do budgets every month in our family
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  • imagevlagrl29:
    I don't understand why they can't pass a dang budget!! That really irks me. Its like they don't want to be held accountable.  I know Obama has made budgets but his own party won't approve them. We do budgets every month in our family

    Can you imagine trying to get 535 people to agree on your family budget every month?

    This is an interesting piece from the Economist that explains a bit more about the federal budget process: 

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/02/parliamentary-procedure

     

    Why the Senate hasn't passed a budget

    Feb 15th 2012, 22:36 by G.I. | WASHINGTON D.C.


    Republicans have relentlessly harangued the Senate's Democratic leadership for failing to pass a budget resolution. "1,000 days without a budget," was the title of a typical missive last month. On the weekend Jack Lew, who has just been named Barack Obama's chief of staff after serving as his budget director, defended the Senate by saying it couldn't pass a budget without 60 votes, i.e. without the cooperation of some Republicans. Republicans jumped on Mr Lew, pointing out that under Congress' budget procedure, a budget resolution cannot be filibustered and thus only needs a simple majority vote - typically 51 votes - to pass. Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post's fact checker, awarded Mr Lew four Pinocchios, the top score, for fibbing. 

    In fact, Mr Lew, while wrong on the narrow wording, is right on the substance. It is true that the Senate can pass a budget resolution with a simple majority vote. But for that budget resolution to take effect, it must have either the cooperation of the house, or at least 60 votes in the Senate. Only someone intimately familiar with Parliamentary procedure can explain this. Jim Horney of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities is such a person. The following are his edited remarks from our email conversation:

    It's true that you cannot filibuster a budget resolution in the Senate, because the Budget Act provides special rules for consideration of a budget resolution, including a time limit on debate. So the Senate can pass a resolution with only a majority vote.  However, the resolution does not take effect when the Senate passes it.  It takes effect in one of two ways: if the House and Senate pass an identical resolution, usually in the form of a conference report; or if the Senate passes a separate Senate Resolution (as opposed to a concurrent resolution, which is what a budget resolution is) that says the House is ?deemed? to have agreed to the budget resolution passed by the Senate. 

    But there are no special procedures for the simple Senate Resolution required by this second, ?deeming? process, so it is subject to the unlimited debate allowed on almost everything in the Senate.  If you do not have the support of 60 Senators to invoke cloture and end a filibuster, or prevent a filibuster from even starting (because everyone knows  60 Senators support cloture), you cannot pass such a deeming resolution in the Senate.

    Because its rules are different, the House with a simple majority can pass a resolution deeming that the House and Senate have agreed to the House resolution so that it can take effect. This means the allocations in the resolution, such as for appropriations, are in effect in the House and anybody can raise a point-of-order against legislation that would cause a committee to exceed its allocation. 

    But this is for purposes of enforcement in the House only. What the House does has no effect whatsoever on the Senate or its budget enforcement.  And vice versa, if the Senate deems that its budget resolution has been agreed to.

    Does the lack of a budget resolution matter? Jim notes that budget resolutions are supposed to set limits on discretionary spending in appropriations bills and facilitate changes in taxes and entitlements via reconciliation instructions or via allocations to authorizing committees. But nowadays, discretionary spending caps have already been set by the Budget Control Act (which ended the debt ceiling standoff) and there is little or no prospect of cross-party agreement on tax or entitlement policies. Moreover: 

    With the exception of reconciliation legislation, it effectively takes 60 votes to consider any legislation in the Senate so  it really does not matter whether the resolution has been adopted; if you have 60, you can consider the legislation, if you don't, you can't. 

    The bottom line is the budget process set out in the Budget Act works pretty well when the Congress can agree on budget policies.  When they cannot, no process in the world can make things work smoothly, but Congress muddles through and does what absolutely has to be done (like keeping the government from shutting down or defaulting on the debt).  Not having a budget resolution in place is a symptom of the inability to reach agreement ? not the cause of Congress not being able to accomplish things.

    So yes, the Senate could pass a budget resolution, but without the cooperation of the house or 60 votes, that resolution would not take effect; it would be an empty gesture. The fact that the House managed to pass a budget last year, including a major overhaul of Medicare, reflects its different rules that allow it to deem the budget resolution to have taken effect. But it didn't ultimately matter: the provisions in its budget, including the Medicare changes, were not binding on the Senate.

    Aren't you glad you asked?

     

     

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  • Hey I learn something new everyday:) yes I would think it would be hard to pass a budget with that many people but we need it. I just wish everyone wouldn't argue and fight all the time
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    imagevlagrl29:
    I don't understand why they can't pass a dang budget!! That really irks me. Its like they don't want to be held accountable.  I know Obama has made budgets but his own party won't approve them. We do budgets every month in our family

    Could you imagine running a household like that? 

    Cnon

    Take back the Senate in 2014
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    imagevlagrl29:
    I don't understand why they can't pass a dang budget!! That really irks me. Its like they don't want to be held accountable.  I know Obama has made budgets but his own party won't approve them. We do budgets every month in our family

    Could you imagine running a household like that? 

    Cnon

    Governments are not households. For starters, in general Governments can only increase revenue by raising taxes. Households can increase revenue by increasing labor hours. The household vs. government comparison is like comparing how whales mate to humans... it's just a weird analogy.

    Budgets actually are fairly meaningless. Have you looked at the Paul Ryan budget? It's pretty darn vague. The government passes spending bills every year. A budget is a roadmap, the spending bills are the actual execution. 

    -My son was born in April 2012. He pretty much rules. -This might be the one place on the internet where it's feasible someone would pretend to be an Adult Man.
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