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Big Fight

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  • I want going to DD, I got some good advice and then some people decided to attack him as a person. I know this is a problem that we are working on (as I already mentioned) and I know that he is wrong (also mentioned). A bad action doesnt equal a bad person. He has many admirable traits. This isn't one of them but it certainly is nothing to leave him over. I appreciate the insight and I especially appreciate the sympathy. That's what I needed, validation that I had the right to be mad.

    So, do you take one little thing someone says to you and then only focus on that and spin crap off of it?!? Hmmm

    I never said to leave him. I never said that he was or is an awful person. I pointed out what this situation was making him out to be. FFS, get some perspective and read ALL of what is posted. If you are this sensitive and picky over a "stand up guy" comment, I really wonder how you get along in life. So why doesn't your Hs friend like you?!?
    Jesus Christ, youre the type of person that picks fights for the sake of fighting aren't you.
    My husband's character came into question so I defended him.
    Friend doesn't like me because he is immature and I don't put up with it.
  • No, actually I don't fight just to fight. I do however point out the obvious.

    Good luck.
  • I'm confused. Why didn't he just opt to not go? You say he doesn't like confrontation, but declining the offer is not really confrontational.

    It's one game, not a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. The fact that he appears to value the ticket over your feelings (not to mention the principles) would really bother me.
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  • Your H needs to tell this friend to get lost. This isn'/t about tickets; this is about you being put last.
  • All I can say is I if your H decides to not say anything to his "friend", then you and him will have much more problems in the future.  He doesn't like confrontation, understood, but if he doesn't stand up for you and choose you over this friend, because that is exactly what it is, I would be a little worried.  A marriage is putting your spouse ahead of other things, and this guy really doesn't sound like a real friend.  So he doesn't like you because you don't put up with his crap.  Good for you I wouldn't either.  This guy needs to beat it.  He is not going to want you included in things, with this apparent wedding gift, sorry H but you got married, things come in pairs now, and he needs to realize that.  You should always come first, and until he learns that, you will constantly have these sorts of problems.    Your H may be learning a few things here, which also is understood, but nip that in the bud NOW!  Good luck.

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  • As an update: He apologized last night and was sincerely upset that he upset me so badly. He still didn't understand why I was so upset but he didn't like that he caused it. Today I laid it out to him. Friend did not explicitly say I wasn't invited, he just said it would "be better if he came alone because he might not be able to afford me too" (which we know is a lie) So I told DH that I will opperate under the assumption that I am invited since friend later called the trip a wedding gift and wedding gifts are to couples, not individuals. DH agreed and said that is how he hopes it works. I also told himthat iif it is just DH and friend I won't care. Ill side eye friend for it but I wouldn't bemad at DH. But iif all SOs are invited but me I will set fire to them all. DH agreed and said he would also be very mad if SOs were invited and not me. I'm not convinced that DH would start a fight with friend over it but sharing my mentality is a step in the right direction. We are continuing to work on it but are on good terms right now.

    So, what happens if you're not invited? Your DH said he'd be "very mad", but would he still go? I'm sure he's not a terrible person, but he shouldn't be letting people insult or exclude his wife. If it comes down to: a) offending his friend or b) offending his wife, he should choose to offend his friend. Because he married you, he promised to love and honor you, and your feelings should be more important to him than his friend's feelings. If his friend gets mad or doesn't talk to him anymore, then the friend is an idiot. This is definitely something your DH should be taking a stand on. And I say this as the wife of a people pleaser who often chooses to upset me rather than a friend/co-worker, etc. It's not fun, not fair and bad for your marriage. My DH has to work hard at it, but he went to counselling and is slowly growing a spine and sticking up for me. Good luck!!
  • No one is saying to leave him but I do think this issue is serious enough to talk to a counselor. You simply can't spend the rest of your life being thrown under the bus. Maybe a professional third party will help him him find the courage he needs to build a strong and healthy marriage.
    That's a very nice and reasonable way to put it. We are actully both counselors so we are trying to sort through it with our backgrounds. I realize how instrumental a third unbiased opinion can be though so we are keeping that an option while we try to fix it first
    Say what now?  He's a counselor and he's willing to bring you along to a game the host doesn't want you to attend because he feels bad that you're upset but he doesn't understand WHY you're so upset?  This is not computing for me.
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  • Kimbus22 said:



    No one is saying to leave him but I do think this issue is serious enough to talk to a counselor. You simply can't spend the rest of your life being thrown under the bus. Maybe a professional third party will help him him find the courage he needs to build a strong and healthy marriage.

    That's a very nice and reasonable way to put it. We are actully both counselors so we are trying to sort through it with our backgrounds. I realize how instrumental a third unbiased opinion can be though so we are keeping that an option while we try to fix it first

    Say what now?  He's a counselor and he's willing to bring you along to a game the host doesn't want you to attend because he feels bad that you're upset but he doesn't understand WHY you're so upset?  This is not computing for me.


    He's a child psychologist. We have some overlapping training but for the most part it is vastly different. (Anyone see the irony that he's a child psych and is acting like a child LOL)
  • Leftie22 said: 

    If it comes down to: a) offending his friend or b) offending his wife, he should choose to offend his friend. Because he married you, he promised to love and honor you, and your feelings should be more important to him than his friend's feelings.
    THis is what always gets me about "but he isn't confrontational" in posts like this.  OP - your DH seems to have no problem being confrontational with YOU!  Why is that? He'll talk/argue this with YOU, but heaven forbid he "confront" his friend and just say "as this is a wedding gift, I don't feel it's right that my wife isn't included".  He'll upset you, but heaven forbid he upset his friend.

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  • Leftie22 said: 

    If it comes down to: a) offending his friend or b) offending his wife, he should choose to offend his friend. Because he married you, he promised to love and honor you, and your feelings should be more important to him than his friend's feelings.
    THis is what always gets me about "but he isn't confrontational" in posts like this.  OP - your DH seems to have no problem being confrontational with YOU!  Why is that? He'll talk/argue this with YOU, but heaven forbid he "confront" his friend and just say "as this is a wedding gift, I don't feel it's right that my wife isn't included".  He'll upset you, but heaven forbid he upset his friend.

    HUH?
    Seriously, I say it is because they can!  They know you are going to be there pretty much no matter what, I don't get why they are afraid of offending their friends.  Annoying!  All I can say is this girl needs to nip this ish in the bud quick!  If he starts this now, it will only get worse. She needs to tell him how it is.  He needs to make sure he backs HER up!  This will make him look like a man.  A man who will stand up for his woman to even his friends is a very attractive sexy man!!!  :)  Once he learns this he will do much better... Lol

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  • I honestly wouldn't even make a big of this. Sure, go to the game, have fun, WHATEVER!!! If I made a huge deal about every time my DH did something with "his" friends and I really wasn't invited I would go crazy. Let your DH have a fun day with his friend and drop it. Who cares if you are not invited. If the friend doesn't like you then who cares? There are SO's of friends that I don't want around us. I didn't invite a friend's SO to our house this weekend, but I invited other SOs. I would say just get over it and buy tickets for you and DH to go another time. This sounds very childish to me... 
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  • rlyttle said:

    I honestly wouldn't even make a big of this. Sure, go to the game, have fun, WHATEVER!!! If I made a huge deal about every time my DH did something with "his" friends and I really wasn't invited I would go crazy. Let your DH have a fun day with his friend and drop it. Who cares if you are not invited. If the friend doesn't like you then who cares? There are SO's of friends that I don't want around us. I didn't invite a friend's SO to our house this weekend, but I invited other SOs. I would say just get over it and buy tickets for you and DH to go another time. This sounds very childish to me... 

    So, you are saying that it's cool to give a wedding gift to a couple but then exclude one?!? What etiquette book are you reading?!?


  • Leftie22 said: 

    If it comes down to: a) offending his friend or b) offending his wife, he should choose to offend his friend. Because he married you, he promised to love and honor you, and your feelings should be more important to him than his friend's feelings.
    THis is what always gets me about "but he isn't confrontational" in posts like this.  OP - your DH seems to have no problem being confrontational with YOU!  Why is that? He'll talk/argue this with YOU, but heaven forbid he "confront" his friend and just say "as this is a wedding gift, I don't feel it's right that my wife isn't included".  He'll upset you, but heaven forbid he upset his friend.

    HUH?

    I know!! So annoying. My DH was raised to believe that his family's approval is the most important thing in the world, and it's taken a lot of counselling for him to challenge that belief. We don't even live in the same city as his family anymore, and he still worries about what they think. I'm always asking him "why don't you care what I think? If your parents are mad, oh well, we won't see or talk to them anyway. But if I'M mad, you have to see me and live with me every day!!" It's very hard to understand, even though I've seen how controlling and manipulative his family is. It's still very irritating that it WORKS. Argh.
  • rlyttle said:
    I honestly wouldn't even make a big of this. Sure, go to the game, have fun, WHATEVER!!! If I made a huge deal about every time my DH did something with "his" friends and I really wasn't invited I would go crazy. Let your DH have a fun day with his friend and drop it. Who cares if you are not invited. If the friend doesn't like you then who cares? There are SO's of friends that I don't want around us. I didn't invite a friend's SO to our house this weekend, but I invited other SOs. I would say just get over it and buy tickets for you and DH to go another time. This sounds very childish to me... 
    Yeah! We got some wine glasses from one of my friends who doesn't like DH, and she specified that although it was a wedding gift, I was the only one who should be using them. So we just stuck some discrete permanent labels on the bottom that said "GilliC only" and that was that! DH just checks the base of a glass when he pulls it out of the cabinet to make sure it's not one of the wrong ones. No big deal at all!

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  • MLE2010 said:
    I honestly wouldn't even make a big of this. Sure, go to the game, have fun, WHATEVER!!! If I made a huge deal about every time my DH did something with "his" friends and I really wasn't invited I would go crazy. Let your DH have a fun day with his friend and drop it. Who cares if you are not invited. If the friend doesn't like you then who cares? There are SO's of friends that I don't want around us. I didn't invite a friend's SO to our house this weekend, but I invited other SOs. I would say just get over it and buy tickets for you and DH to go another time. This sounds very childish to me... 
    So, you are saying that it's cool to give a wedding gift to a couple but then exclude one?!? What etiquette book are you reading?!?
    I didn't say it was "cool". I would just chalk it up to his friend being a dick and let it go. Obviously her DH doesn't have a backbone, so why let dick friends cause problems in your marriage? 
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  • Wait a minute..........if everyone (including your tool of a husband) goes except for you, you're going to "set fire to them all"?

    Listen - I know it hurts to hear it, since you got so defensive already.  But the problem here isn't the rude friend or anyone else on his guest list.  They aren't the people that you need to be "setting fire" to.  And assuming that you're invited is pretty damn stupid, seeing as how you've all but been told flat out that he isn't getting you a ticket.

    YOUR HUSBAND is responsible for showing you respect and caring about your feelings.  And he's not doing that, at all, right now.  He is showing you that your feelings don't matter to him.  He is showing you that all he cares about is his own fun.  A man that truly loved you and respected you would never allow his friend to be so rude to you.  He would certainly not accept tickets to an event that you were explicitly not invited to. 

    You shouldn't even have to tell your husband this.  But apparently he's a bit self-absorbed.  So tell him.  And if he still tells you that he's going, I hope you reconsider who needs to have some fire set to them.

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  • So, what's the update @DaBearsBride? I've just read through this whole forum and am very curious as to what happened in the end? did he go to the game? did friend and SO's go and leave you behind? biting my nails in suspense here! 
  • A wedding gift is supposed to be for the bride AND groom. I would be very upset with him but it is his choice to go or not. His decision should give you some insight into his real priorities.
  • Wow.. That's pretty messed. Something isn't right about this and I cannot believe your DH is still going.. That's so not fair. Hopefully he realizes how hurt you are :( I'm so sorry!

     
  • **Update**
    Hubby and I are on the road to Chicago right now to attend the Bears game this weekend. After a lot of talking it over we decided to say forget his friend and his stupid present. We raised enough money to cover both of our tickets and told the friend that if he didn't want to get seats for both of us then he can sit alone and we will be buying our own tickets instead, and if the game sold out we would tailgate in the parking lot for the game. Friend was super pissy about the decision and was making H and I uncomfortable so on top of it all we booked a hotel for our stay instead of staying at his house like we normally do. I think the friend got our point. He got all of us tickets together (there are six of us going) but is making "me" pay for mine and my husband's tickets (as if our finances aren't shared, at least our vaca finances I mean). He is still calling it a wedding gift though (LOL). H and I are just laughing it off. I am very happy that at the end of the day H sided with me and probably for the first time in his life he stood up against this douchey friend. In other news, I did Bears themed nails for the game! Da Bears!!
  • One more update, because this is hilarious. We just got to the friends house for the 'big surprise reveal' to H (who has been pretending for months that he still didn't know what was up) and the friend went on this long schpiele about how generous and how good of a friend he is to have bought my H a ticket to the game. Friend thinks he's being sneaky but H already knows that I have to pay for the tix. So we decided that when the friend asks me for the money I'm going to make him go to H. That way he is forced to admit that it wasn't a present at all.
  • DaBearsWife,

     I really hope you and hubby enjoy the game. The atmosphere on game day is energizing.  Don't let his friend bring you down.  Great touch of having his friend ask your hubby for tickets.  I'll root for the bears for you this week since my team has pretty much blown their playoff chances 13 years in a row. 

  • Wow! So if you guys are buying your own tickets and staying in a hotel, what exactly is his "present"?! The glorious grace of his presence at the game?

    I'm glad your H saw reason and that you're both eye-rolling this guy. He seriously needs to get over himself.
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  • So glad things ended up good with you and your H!  Stupid friends will come and go.  It is great seeing your H did the right thing for you two.  I hope the game was awesome!  Football is the BEST!!!  :)

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  • So glad things turned around for you guys! Yay!!! Enjoy, enjoy!!

     
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