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ObamaCare Meltdown: Even media liberals are appalled
Now that we're all sick of talking about the shutdown, the spotlight is returning to what would have been the top story without the 16-day government closure.
Ladies and gentlemen, ObamaCare is still screwed up.
What say the board?
Cnon
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Re: ObamaCare Meltdown: Even media liberals are appalled
The linked article is terrible. That said, the website roll-out was unacceptable and clearly did not receive sufficient resources to achieve their objectives in the timeframe needed.
Also, I have read that the firewall protection from hackers is really poorly done. Citizens' private data is easily accessible by people looking to profit from it.
Car insurance is mandated specifically because people who don't have insurance get into car accidents, and bring the cost up for everyone. Likewise, people without health insurance get sick or have emergencies, and the rest of us pick up the slack and pay more.
Are you all gonna start whining about having to buy car insurance because you like taking your own risks and you think you're a good driver? Plus you think you're more responsible and self sufficient than the rest of the country so the government should leave you alone?
Sure. Okay.
The launch of the website was total crap. But it's just a website, and when the government hires contractors, crap work happens frequently. And sure, insurance companies will change their plans so that they comply with the law. It will affect a small amount of the population.
We will know more about how the law is working in a year or two. Like any huge change in policy, it takes a while for us to see the overall effects.
This is not radical in any way. Look at Social Security. You can't opt out of that. Same with medicare. Nothing out of the ordinary is really being done here...
well, unless you consider the fact that the insurance market is privatized and will remain so under the ACA. It's a free market approach to solving the health care problem.
And no, of course the constitution does not say anything about health insurance. I would really like it if people would stop pretending they're Constitutional Law experts. You can say something is unconstitutional all you want, but only certain people with certain educational qualifications can make that assertion with any kind of accuracy.
Yes, we needed to make changes to allow for access to those with prior conditions and remove life time caps --- but that could have been accomplished without taking apart the whole system. The ACA is not affordable - and gives gov't far too much control over our lives.
Young people and the middle class will absorb most of the costs.
Watch as we get actual numbers on who has bought or signed up for coverage. Mostly medicaid or subsidized with few paying enrollees. So guess where the money wilil come from?? You guessed it -- more taxes. Fewer jobs, slow economic growth - if any, more national debt.
Within 3 years we will pretty much have destroyed the private individual insurance market with over 100K drops (when policies don't comply or ins. co. cannot make a profit) - and then the additional drops by employers for insurance to employees starting later in 2014 when the delay expires. Everyone will be gradually forced into the exchanges by restricting choices and controlled by the government.
The lying has become a joke - and it will take much more than "I am sorry you lost your insurance" from Obama to regain even a smidgen of credibility or trust. This law will haunt the Democrats for a LONG time and although a few will enjoy the benefits, most Americans will be feeling duped and disappointed and will vote accordingly.
Yes, we needed to make changes to allow for access to those with prior conditions and remove life time caps --- but that could have been accomplished without taking apart the whole system. The ACA is not affordable - and gives gov't far too much control over our lives.
Young people and the middle class will absorb most of the costs.
Watch as we get actual numbers on who has bought or signed up for coverage. Mostly medicaid or subsidized with few paying enrollees. So guess where the money wilil come from?? You guessed it -- more taxes. Fewer jobs, slow economic growth - if any, more national debt.
Within 3 years we will pretty much have destroyed the private individual insurance market with over 100K drops (when policies don't comply or ins. co. cannot make a profit) - and then the additional drops by employers for insurance to employees starting later in 2014 when the delay expires. Everyone will be gradually forced into the exchanges by restricting choices and controlled by the government.
The lying has become a joke - and it will take much more than "I am sorry you lost your insurance" from Obama to regain even a smidgen of credibility or trust. This law will haunt the Democrats for a LONG time and although a few will enjoy the benefits, most Americans will be feeling duped and disappointed and will vote accordingly.
That's about the size of it............................................................
Cnon
Oh I love the bolded. Plus, the ACA isn't even fixing health insurance for people that it was broken for before. There is a percentage of people that cannot afford plans in the ACA and do not have employer-sponsored plans. What do they do? They get fined under the ACA if they don't carry insurance!
Also, health insurance isn't a right of Americans citizens. It is a perk/blessing/opportunity of living in this developed/1st world nation. It is an out-poring or a result of an extremely materialistic country that has the bounty to provide this.
I don't understand why people think government-run health care is a great idea. Have we not seen the red tape, the blunders, and the sheer ineffectiveness of smaller government run entities such as the DMVs and the USPS? This are peanuts compared to this. My thinking is that if you cannot trust someone or a group with the small stuff (sending mail and licensing), why on earth would you trust them with the big stuff (health insurance and education)?
First of I, I did not bold the part about cancer in the above PP. I think you did that.
Second, I bolded the part in the PP about your comment in reference to Obama lying and how you just said oh so casually, "And yeah, he lied. It's not cool." My post referenced the lying comment. Not the cancer one.
Next, I am not sure how you got that I am okay with people being dropped because they have cancer or another other medical problem (total leap of the imagination there on your part).
And you do realize that people being dropped by plans who have cancer or another illness is JUST AS BAD as someone with cancer or another illness not being able to afford health insurance under the ACA or an employer plan, right? The ACA was supposed to remedy this for people. It hasn't. I has fallen woefully short of any expectations set forth for it.
Debating online is tough enough without a face-to-face interaction, so it behooves us all to pay attention to the actual statements provided by posters and not make comments based on assumptions.