Gonzaga University students could face expulsion for gun

Cnon

SPOKANE, Wash.-- Two Gonzaga University students could be expelled for using a gun to protect themselves at their University owned apartment.

GU leaders said the students violated a policy all students show know about when living in a school owned apartment.


Seniors Erik Fagan and Dainel McIntosh felt they needed to protect themselves in late October when a convicted felon came to their door asking for money. Fagan said he yelled for his roommate after trying to get the man to leave. McIntosh came down with his gun, which he has a concealed weapons permit for according to Fagan. The roommates said McIntosh scared the man off by flashing the gun.



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Please Debate;

I agree with the students.

And another thing..............................However, were they just supposed to call the cops and hope and pray they make it in time?


What ever happened to taking responsibility for yourself in these situations????!!!


That just goes out the window just because you sign a lease??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the blank is that about???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cnon

chibiyui

Cnon said:

SPOKANE, Wash.-- Two Gonzaga University students could be expelled for using a gun to protect themselves at their University owned apartment.

GU leaders said the students violated a policy all students show know about when living in a school owned apartment.


Seniors Erik Fagan and Dainel McIntosh felt they needed to protect themselves in late October when a convicted felon came to their door asking for money. Fagan said he yelled for his roommate after trying to get the man to leave. McIntosh came down with his gun, which he has a concealed weapons permit for according to Fagan. The roommates said McIntosh scared the man off by flashing the gun.



Gonzaga University students could face expulsion for gun | NWCN.com Washington - Oregon - Idaho



Please Debate;

I agree with the students.

And another thing..............................However, were they just supposed to call the cops and hope and pray they make it in time?


What ever happened to taking responsibility for yourself in these situations????!!!


That just goes out the window just because you sign a lease??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the blank is that about???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cnon

Uh, Yes?

If you sign a legally-binding lease/contract/what have you, and then you break something in that agreement, there tend to be consequences. When you are in college, there are rules to living on campus. You sign a lease agreeing to those rules. If you are found to be in violation of those rules disciplinary actions up to and including expulsion are possible. 

Would you care if the students had scared off the guy with a bottle of booze and then got in trouble for having alcohol on campus property? 

cincychick35

I'm thinking personal safety trumps "legally-binding lease/contract/what have you".  

MommyLiberty5013

First of all I believe that everyone has a right to protect his/herself and if that means having and owning a gun, I am okay with that. However, a big part of carrying a conceal carry permit is that you are still subject (like it or not) to the property laws that various organizations impose about making "gun free" zones or areas. If you choose to carry a gun into these premises and you are found out, then you can face charges.

That said, I think this is a tricky spot because this was someone's place of residence. Key word being "residence" and most states have laws protecting one's residence. Now if you technically don't own the building in which you reside then does that prevent you from defending it with force - the force of a firearm?

I don't know...

 

 

Cnon

Here's an update on this case:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gonzaga-students-face-expulsion-gun-20846915


The sentence is probation.


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chibiyui

Probation certainly isn't expulsion. I will agree that they should not be expelled over this, but they shouldn't be surprised that the university has a no-weapons policy and enforced that. Ideally the University will tell them quietly to not have weapons in university housing, and next year they will move into an apartment that is not subject to university policies. 

cincychick35 said:

I'm thinking personal safety trumps "legally-binding lease/contract/what have you".  

On a personal level, of course. But in a legal sense, and as adults, actions have consequences. If you want to be a responsible, law-abiding gun owner, don't be surprised if you get in trouble for having a gun in an apartment that contains a "no-weapons policy" in the lease you signed. 

cincychick35

chibiyui said:

Probation certainly isn't expulsion. I will agree that they should not be expelled over this, but they shouldn't be surprised that the university has a no-weapons policy and enforced that. Ideally the University will tell them quietly to not have weapons in university housing, and next year they will move into an apartment that is not subject to university policies. 

cincychick35 said:

I'm thinking personal safety trumps "legally-binding lease/contract/what have you".  

On a personal level, of course. But in a legal sense, and as adults, actions have consequences. If you want to be a responsible, law-abiding gun owner, don't be surprised if you get in trouble for having a gun in an apartment that contains a "no-weapons policy" in the lease you signed. 

Situations like this cannot be viewed in black or white or in a vacuum.  The university is now reviewing it's policy "We will consider the scope of the policy, but always guided by what is in the best interest of student safety," Martin said

Cnon

Fox and Friends on TV just reported that, the students got their guns back; but they must keep them in non-university housing and are still on probation.



Cnon

snp605

While I don't care for the policy, I think the school has the right to enforce it. Your option is to live somewhere not owned by the university or attend another university.

snp605

While I don't care for the policy, I think the school has the right to enforce it. Your option is to live somewhere not owned by the university or attend another university.

GeraldoRivera

cincychick35 said:

I'm thinking personal safety trumps "legally-binding lease/contract/what have you".  

What were they protecting themselves from? A guy asking for money at their door? 

cincychick35

GeraldoRivera said:

cincychick35 said:

I'm thinking personal safety trumps "legally-binding lease/contract/what have you".  

What were they protecting themselves from? A guy asking for money at their door? 

I was speaking in general.  However, the article states:

"Seniors Erik Fagan and Dainel McIntosh felt they needed to protect themselves in late October when a convicted felon came to their door asking for money. Fagan said he yelled for his roommate after trying to get the man to leave.  McIntosh came down with his gun, which he has a concealed weapons permit for according to Fagan. The roommates said McIntosh scared the man off by flashing the gun."