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New Puppy questions

So we adopted a GSP/Hound mix from a rescue in PA back in late September. His name is Scout and he is about 6 months old now. Poor guy & his two littermates were found on the side of highway in Bristol, TN and then transported to Greenmore Farm Animal Rescue in PA. He is awesome and super-smart, but very high energy. I expected that with GSP in him. :) 

I just have a couple questions that I just now you kind ladies will be able to help or at least relate to. My one concern is that he doesn't have a very soft mouth yet. We are doing training class that is offered through a local shelter, so I plan on asking the trainer about this more as well. I have an almost 3 year old little boy, so I would definitely like to learn how to help Scout be more gentle when taking treats, toys, etc. Do you guys have any suggestions? We learned "Leave It" last week and are still working on it, but when I release him and tell him "okay", he is not very easy. My hands and fingers are taking quite a beating from playing with him. Not a huge deal, but if there is something I can do to help, then I am willing to try it. :)

My other question is about how much exercise he should be getting. I walk him for about 45 minutes every morning, which has helped immensely, and my DH plays fetch with him for about 1/2hr - 45 minutes. We have about 2 acres and DH can launch a ball, so he does get a good amount of running in with this. Is this enough?

Last one, I think. ;)  He has a very strong natural doggy odor about him. Even after giving him a bath, he is stinky again within a day or 2. I thought maybe it was his food, since he also has some pretty righteous gas, so I am in the slow process of switching him from GrandmaMae's Country Naturals GrainFree, to TOTW Wetlands formula. Any thoughts about this?

 

Lastly, here are some pics of my little cutie for your viewing enjoyment.

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Re: New Puppy questions

  • Try substituting a toy for your hand when he gets mouthy during play or anytime he's chewing on something he's not supposed to. If it continues while you're playing, just stop. He'll get the hint that if he wants your attention/playtime he needs to stop biting. We also taught our dog growing up "easy" so she'd be gentle when taking treats from us kids. 

    I think the amount of exercise needed varies with each dog. I know my dog has had enough when he's well behaved/mellow/tired. If he's acting spazy, it's usually because he's been cooped up. 

    I'm not sure about the smell. I know all dogs have that dog smell. Switching food might help. We just switched our dog to TOTW and his gas has reduced, so it might be a good thing to try. 

    Good luck with your pup, he's very cute! 

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  • Thanks so much for your response. Usually it is when he already has a toy, that he bites me by accident. I need to try your suggestion about just stopping and ignoring him though. I usually just say "No bite" and keep playing. Oops.

     


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  • He is very cute!!!

    We also use a command for when our guy is taking treats, we say take nice.  We started this from the beginning and he takes his treats and toys super gentle now! Even at 100lbs!   We use "leave it" as well for things and it works great!

    As for exercise, PP is right, it depends on the dog. I have an italian mastiff so he is generally very lazy. He goes outside for a few mins runs around and thats it. For mine, the amount of exercise you provide would be more than enough. 

    As for the smell, i cant help you, I love how mine smells, haha weird i know. It is possible its the food. I hope the switch helps
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  • What a cutie!!!! Ditto the suggestion of stopping play and ignoring him anytime his teeth touch your skin (even "accidentally"). Leave the room for a minute if necessary (i.e. If he keeps nipping/jumping even after you have stopped playing). Only resume play when he is calm, and stop as often as needed. It may take a little while, but as long as you're consistent, he will get it. It sounds like he was about 3 months when you adopted him, but if he was separated from his mom and/or litter mates much earlier than that, he may not have learned bite inhibition from them (so you'll have to teach him!).

    Exercise definitely varies by dog, so I would just observe whether your pup seems hyper, restless, or bored or gets destructive, as those are all signs that he may not be getting sufficient physical exercise or mental stimulation. With a smart, working dog like a GSP or hound, the mental component us just as important as the physical component. Training class, games, puzzle toys, teaching tricks, and physical activities with a mental component (agility, scent tracking, etc.) are great ways to stimulate your pup.

    As for the smell, I have heard that hounds may smell more than other breeds due to their oily coats, but I haven't been able to confirm whether that is in fact the case. Feeding a high quality food (TOTW is a good choice, but there are many others if it doesn't agree with him) and bathing when needed (too often can dry out their skin or coat, but frequency depends on the individual dog - my pug only gets a bath once every few months or if he gets dirty/muddy/sandy) should help. GL!
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  • Your pup is gorgeous!

    PPs have all given great advice! Ditto Caz that mental stimulation is a big component is wearing out your pup, too. Smarter breeds like that need the mental component.

    Re smell: give the TOTW a try for a month+ and see how he's smelling at that point. Food can definitely be part of a dog smelling more strongly. Our Boxer eats raw, and she's really not that stinky at all. She rarely gets bathed (I'll more often wipe down any dirty areas, like paws and face, with baby wipes rather than giving a full bath).
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  • He is a cutie! I agree with the pp that when his teeth touch your skin stop playing. Worked for us.
    As far as exercise goes, mine does much better at a dog park. I can run with him and play with him for hours and he will still have boundless energy and I will be worn out. An hour at the dog park running around with the other dogs wears him out and I still have some energy left.
    Good luck!
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  • Thanks so much for all the replies. He is a smartie! I am picking him up some puzzle-like toys today, as well as a Kong Wobbler. Unfortunately, we don't have any dog parks in our area. It sucks! I think he would love that. I have even looked for doggie daycare, but the closest one is about 45 minutes in the opposite direction of my work.

     


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  • The smell will always be there if he is a hound type dog. Hounds tend to have a particularly strong doggy odor about them. I have two mixed bloodhounds and.after much research discovered.this. Otherwise I would have suggested changing the food because certain brands are made with feces and that causes an unpleasant odor in an animal but since you are feeding a better brand than Purina I'm thinking its due to him being part hound. Good luck!
  • We finally completed the switch to TOTW Wetlands formula and I do think he is smelling better. His coat is definitely smoother and more shiny as well.  I got him the Kong Wobbler for Christmas as well as this doggie IQ puzzle that he loves!!!

     


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  • To address the issue of a soft mouth I can offer some advice, the things that worked for us.

    First of all I would like to say the earlier you can train him to take things softly, the better it is for him and the easier the solution.

    Phase 1: Rough play

    Part a) How we solved this problem ( after using some advice we received from a friend with a dog that would nip and bite as a puppy) is when the puppy tries biting your hand make a fist and stick it in his mouth. I don’t mean forcefully however, enough to make it uncomfortable ( I would hold it there for a moment to let the puppy know I wasn’t afraid, to make it uncomfortable and to make him understand that this was not a desirable thing to do).

    You have to remember a puppy’s mouth is his hands; he is just trying to interact with you the best way he knows how. After 2 and half weeks of this our puppy was annoyed and he stopped nipping.

    Part b) Along with this whenever we would “rough” play I would give him a small toy (and eventually ball )for him to put in his mouth. That way he couldn’t use his mouth in play the same way.

    This was extremely helpful when he got older and wanted to play with kids, he would first find a toy put it in his mouth and I didn’t have to worry about his sharp puppy teeth hurting anyone.

    Phase 2: Taking treats softly

    It is going to take some time to work with him and maybe even scraped fingers however, it is very important that you place a command with him taking the food out of your hands in the manner you would like. For us we use the word “gentle”.

    Hold the treat in your fingers and only let go when he takes it in an acceptable manner. I would let him take it roughly and then say gentle, on his second attempt it would be softer.  If he still didn’t have a soft mouth I wouldn’t let go. I repeated until he understood my expectation. I continued this every time I gave him a treat. I let him take the treat when it was soft enough. (once again although it may be a little painful with those puppy teeth, it is worth it, be thankful its not the next kid he meets)

    Although this seems like a lot of work and that it may hurt a little bit, if you wait to train him, it will only get worse, you could lose a finger! When he is a puppy you have the upper hand and this is the time to train him right.

     

    Phase 3: Consistency

    Make sure you are consistent and clear with your expectation. Once again it may seem like a lot of work up front but it is worth it when you can feel comfortable with your dog around anyone and any age.

  • He is slowly getting better about having a soft mouth, which is good because his big boy teeth have come in and I like having all of my fingers. I have been walking away from him any time he starts to nip or chomp his jaws at me, which seems to be working. I have been working to keep him mentally stimulated and that is helping a lot too.

    Our current frustration is counter surfing and bullying my toddler. By bullying, I mean that he knocks my son over and steals his toys, mostly just for attention, I think. And Heaven forbid, my son sit on the couch with a snack. It is causing a lot of frustration in our house right now. So much so that my DH has brought up returning him to the rescue, because he feel like he is constantly pissed at the dog. I feel like we have invested time & energy into Scout and made a committment to him and need to stick by it. Plus we love him, pain in the rear though he may be. I think DH forgets that he really is still just a puppy. However, I do feel his frustration at times because dealing with a toddler and a puppy is not easy. But... we knew that going in and just need to suck it up. I just want to figure out how to get Scout to be gentle with my son and I think things would be much smoother in my house.

     


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  • He is slowly getting better about having a soft mouth, which is good because his big boy teeth have come in and I like having all of my fingers. I have been walking away from him any time he starts to nip or chomp his jaws at me, which seems to be working. I have been working to keep him mentally stimulated and that is helping a lot too.

    Our current frustration is counter surfing and bullying my toddler. By bullying, I mean that he knocks my son over and steals his toys, mostly just for attention, I think. And Heaven forbid, my son sit on the couch with a snack. It is causing a lot of frustration in our house right now. So much so that my DH has brought up returning him to the rescue, because he feel like he is constantly pissed at the dog. I feel like we have invested time & energy into Scout and made a committment to him and need to stick by it. Plus we love him, pain in the rear though he may be. I think DH forgets that he really is still just a puppy. However, I do feel his frustration at times because dealing with a toddler and a puppy is not easy. But... we knew that going in and just need to suck it up. I just want to figure out how to get Scout to be gentle with my son and I think things would be much smoother in my house.

    If you haven't already, I would Google NILIF (Nothing in Life is Free) and implement it with your pup. The basic idea is that he should work for everything (even if "work" just means performing a simple command like sitting for his dinner or to have his leash put on or have the door opened).

    For the specific issues you mentioned (counter surfing and trying to steal food from your toddler), preventing him from having the opportunity to perform those undesirable behaviors is important. For example, you may want to tether him to you with his leash or crate him so that he can't sneak off and get on the counter when you're not watching. I would also teach "off" and "leave it" and try not to leave enticing items on the counter.

    It may also help to teach him a "place" command. My pup knows "place" means his bed in the living room, and we send him to his place whenever we have food on the couch or any other time we want him out of the way but still able to be "with" us.

    I agree with you that you made a commitment to this dog when you adopted him, and all the behaviors you described are typical puppy behaviors that you anticipated when adopting him. Having a puppy and a toddler must be incredibly challenging (I have a 6 year old dog who I've had since he was 13 weeks old and a 4.5 month old daughter, so I have some idea), but as you said, you knew that going in!! GL!
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  • @Caz1221

    Thanks so much for the advice. We basically have been doing NILIF without really realizing it. We have been working on the "leave it" & "off" commands.  Leave it is the tough one for him. He can do it, but not for very long yet and not if the object is especially enticing (i.e dropped food). I know he'll get there though. We are going to puppy class tonight and the trainer is supposed to work on the place command with us. I think that one will be especially helpful!

     


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  • We have a high energy girl (photo below), she's 9 months old and I feel like we're finally getting somewhere with training. Patience with the High Energy pups :)

    For the mouthyness, around 5-6 months when the mouthyness really started to hurt we had to take a more hands on approach, when she starts getting mouthy, for play, attention, anything that was biting, we would grab her snout, say "no biting" really firmly and let her go, at that point play stops, if biting continued she went in her crate. now "no biting" gets her to stop before we have to touch her 90% of the time. and like PPs said if she starts getting mouthy, ignor her, if she's like our girl she's persistant, our rule remains one reminder of "no biting" then she goes in the crate. 

    for treats, I agree with PPs, don't give up the treat until she takes it the right way. if we're trying to focus on something else for training I'll offer the treats in an open hand so she won't get my fingers. 

    for the counter surfing, try leaving her leash on in the house, if she's dragging it on the floor you can step on it to stop her and if you walk up the leash you'll limit her movement.  this works for greeting people at the door too, if she's on a short leash that you're standing on she can't jump up on people.  once she doesn't struggle against the pressure on the leash she is starting to understand what behavior you expect from her, THEN start marking her behavior with "off" or "sit" or whatever command you plan to use when you want that behavior. 

    The high energy breeds are hard, they're smart and decide to act in their own interest first.  We had to learn to be firm with our pup, she's smart but we need to tell her what we expect and stick to it. 

    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
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  • Oh, and as far as the Exercise goes, if she's calming down at night, and letting you sleep she's probably getting enough. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • I wouldn't use the crate for punishment - it should be a safe, happy place. You don't want him to be afraid to go in there. Also, I wouldn't physically grab the dog, especially for the mouthing/nipping (really for anything training-related). He might think it's a game, it may serve to reward the behavior in some way (it is attention, even if negative), or he may feel threatened and actually bite. I prefer stopping play immediately and completely ignoring the pup until he's calm before resuming play.
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  • Lots of methods, we tried lots of things before crating and a quick grab of her snout.  Our pups personality is very persistent, presenting her with a chewing alternative, or ignoring her resulted in her barking at us and still going for our hands.  The our vet was getting worried about her mouthyness and said that we needed to get a little more forceful, only on training related to biting, otherwise keep it positive.  The last thing you want is a dog that doesn't understand that biting is unacceptable behavior around a small child.

    The crating thing is mostly because her biting/barking is really coming from a wound-up crazy place, and until we finish what we're doing to take her for a walk she needs a moment to calm down. Lots of different methods, find what works for you, but biting is never acceptable behavior. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • Oh yea! and get yourself some Dog Puzzles (amazon has tons), the plastic ones are usually dishwasher safe. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • If your pup still goes after you when you stop play and ignore him, leave the room and shut the door behind you (as long as it's a safe room for the pup to be in alone for a few minutes). Come back in when pup is calm, but immediately stop play (and leave if necessary) if the biting/mouthing starts again. It takes absolute consistency (everyone who interacts with the dog has to do the same thing and cannot reward the mouthing with attention) and time (weeks or sometimes months), but if you're committed to a positive, non-physical training approach, I've seen it work for many people with dogs of all energy levels.

    Also, unless your vet is a certified behaviorist or trainer, I would be wary of taking training advice from him/her, but for me, if my trainer or behaviorist suggested grabbing my dog's snout to stop mouthing, I would find a different trainer. To each his own.
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  • Just to reiterate, I would not suggest the physical approach of grabbing her snout until you've exhauseted all other options, our vet is a certified behaviorist, she deals with lots of bully-breeds, she only made this training suggestion after it became clear that our puppy was a bossy-female and our positive training and redirecting were not working. We began working with a trainer weekly when pup was 12 weeks old, so at 6-7 months despite all that positive training, ignoring, etc. we had gotten nowhere with the biting. 

    Our town actually has a two-strikes you're out (mandated euthenaisia) for biting, so once she had her rabies shot and was registered with the town we all (our trainer, vet,and DH and I) became a bit more concerned with how quickly play turned into biting.  

    Definitely meet with a trainer, try positive approaches, and ignoring first. I've just heard too many stories here about amazing dogs that didn't have good bite inhibition that were euthenized for one incident that wasn't necessarily their fault (biting a kid who stepped on their tail, biting someone during a play session...).  You need to find what you're comfortable with and what your dog's personality demands. 
    Me: 28 H: 30
    Married 07/14/2012
    TTC #1 January 2015
    BFP! 3/27/15 Baby Girl!! EDD:12/7/2015
  • Gdaisy09 said:
    Just to reiterate, I would not suggest the physical approach of grabbing her snout until you've exhauseted all other options, our vet is a certified behaviorist, she deals with lots of bully-breeds, she only made this training suggestion after it became clear that our puppy was a bossy-female and our positive training and redirecting were not working. 

    @-)

    Report her to the board where she's certified. You should NEVER use physical punishment on a dog, even as a last resort. 
  • In addition to the puzzles, you might want to try something called nose work with your dog.  We learned about it while taking our dogs to obedience school.  It involves hiding treats in a variety of boxes and allowing the dog to sniff them out.

    One of my dogs is a very active doxie/lab mix and even though he gets enough physical exercise, he needed mental exercise too.  Nose work has been amazingly effective at tiring him out, mentally.  There are places that teach it and have competitions and such but it is easy to do it effectively at home.

    It has worked much better than anything store bought that we've tried.
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  • Let me first say that your pup is adorable! My husband and I have a 3-year old Brittany, and he was pretty mouthy when he was little. The best solution I came up with was getting up and leaving him - we kept a baby gate across our room - so I would go in there and leave him alone for a few minutes. My husband could make high pitched noises (such as those his litter mates would make) and that usually got his attention and he'd stop. 

    As for your question about exercise, I've always heard that it all depends on the dog. Brittanys are a high energy breed like your GSP, and we've read that they require hours of exercise a day. Ours does just fine playing with toys and running around in our fenced in yard for a little. By 11:00 at night, he's ready to curl up and go to bed. 

    And yes, hounds tend to have that 'smell' to them. I would bathe him as you see necessary, just watching that you don't dry out his skin. 

    Good luck to you! 
  • I don't know if someone else has said this already, but one thing I did with my dog while learning "no teeth" was yelp and stop playing anytime his teeth touched me. The best way for dogs to learn is to teach them as if you're part of the dog pack. When dogs are playing, for example, they yip/yelp loudly like they're in pain when play gets too rough. Dogs naturally feel their way through life with their teeth, but they don't want to hurt their family and friends. Give a high-pitched yip and back away every time your dog's teeth touch your skin, and he'll learn soon enough. Good luck! 
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