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Should Poor Kids Work for Free Lunches at School?

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Re: Should Poor Kids Work for Free Lunches at School?

  • Lifeguard, if you haven't been already, may I suggest Cafemom confessions board?  They all hate poor people over there too. 8-|
  • I love how this thread brought so many people back.
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  • I'd love to know how having successful grandparents (who apparently never fell on hard times?!) prevent one from never losing a job or becoming the victim of an accident or natural disaster or otherwise fall on hard times themselves. 
  • msmerymac said:
    @lifeguard you have done nothing to prove that welfare is a "career choice" for anyone. The average person on pubic assistance uses it for 4 months, so...

    not defending anything else said but I'm personally acquainted with a couple of people who actively do everything they can to avoid getting a job because their benefits are so spectacular compared to what gets taken away from them when they earn a full time paycheck. I mean to the point they lie about mental illness to the vocational counselors at the unemployment office and vocational rehab. So while it may not be the norm it certainly happens. Despite this person being turned in numerous times, unless there is a news story or something similarly noteworthy that happens to a person abusing benefits there is little or no enforcement process for fraud at least not in my area. I don't think I know of a single person IRL who doesn't support benefits for people in need but most have reservations about abuses and being told that abuses don't exist or that they are a necessary evil to just be ignored is pretty frustrating.

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  • snp605 said:


    msmerymac said:

    @lifeguard you have done nothing to prove that welfare is a "career choice" for anyone. The average person on pubic assistance uses it for 4 months, so...

    not defending anything else said but I'm personally acquainted with a couple of people who actively do everything they can to avoid getting a job because their benefits are so spectacular compared to what gets taken away from them when they earn a full time paycheck. I mean to the point they lie about mental illness to the vocational counselors at the unemployment office and vocational rehab. So while it may not be the norm it certainly happens. Despite this person being turned in numerous times, unless there is a news story or something similarly noteworthy that happens to a person abusing benefits there is little or no enforcement process for fraud at least not in my area. I don't think I know of a single person IRL who doesn't support benefits for people in need but most have reservations about abuses and being told that abuses don't exist or that they are a necessary evil to just be ignored is pretty frustrating.




    Msmery said "the average person," not "every benefits recipient."
  • snp605 So you are arguing that because a couple of people you know are completely dishonest assholes?  Children still shouldn't starve because of those shitty parents.
  • snp605 said:
    msmerymac said:
    @lifeguard you have done nothing to prove that welfare is a "career choice" for anyone. The average person on pubic assistance uses it for 4 months, so...

    not defending anything else said but I'm personally acquainted with a couple of people who actively do everything they can to avoid getting a job because their benefits are so spectacular compared to what gets taken away from them when they earn a full time paycheck. I mean to the point they lie about mental illness to the vocational counselors at the unemployment office and vocational rehab. So while it may not be the norm it certainly happens. Despite this person being turned in numerous times, unless there is a news story or something similarly noteworthy that happens to a person abusing benefits there is little or no enforcement process for fraud at least not in my area. I don't think I know of a single person IRL who doesn't support benefits for people in need but most have reservations about abuses and being told that abuses don't exist or that they are a necessary evil to just be ignored is pretty frustrating.

    Even so, how is the solution to this "just don't let any poor kids get meals at school"? 

    Every system gets abused, from food stamps to military and defense contracting. That doesn't mean that the system itself is bad, that the majority of people benefiting are scammers, or that the solution is to just say "screw everyone! If a few people are cheats, then nobody gets anything!" 
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  • Snp505 thank you for being honest , rational and logical.
    I don't like anybody starving , sad state of affairs it's due to irresponsible parents. The fathers that left the girls with several half related siblings on welfare.
    It's so easy to be so holy and thoughtful and concerned to vote for a government agency to look after the poor and hungry. Any idea whose pocket the $$$ comes from?
    b.t.w , why do game wardens tell us not to feed animals?
  • lifeguard said:


    b.t.w , why do game wardens tell us not to feed animals?

  • Sally J said:
    snp605 So you are arguing that because a couple of people you know are completely dishonest assholes?  Children still shouldn't starve because of those shitty parents.
    No because if you'd and anyone else who assumed that I supported making kids work for lunches had read through this thread you will see that I point blank answered "no" to the question when it was asked.

    the issue of entitlement fraud is where I think a lot of these bad ideas come from because any other way you seem to want to try to approach it or address it leads to the villagers with their pitchforks and torches screaming that you hate poor people. Heck, I'm one of the poor people! LOLI don't receive any govt benefits but we're not that far from it so I get what some people are up against. The bigger issue for me, at least at  locally, is that there are waiting lists to even apply for many government benefits. As far as housing assistance goes here, there isn't even a waiting list because it got too long so they had to close the waiting list. There are kids out there with nowhere to live and being left home alone at dangerous ages while parents work because their parents can't apply for housing or daycare assistance with those things since no one wants to go after the sponges taking up the room for the truly needy. it's absolutely maddening that we can't even have the conversation about doing something about the bad element.

    I'm proud that we have a citizenry concerned enough about others that these benefits exist. I've taken people to apply for them or at the very least encouraged them too when they've felt too proud to do so. That's what they are there for. I just want to keep them as streamlined and honest as possible so that we can do the most good for the most people.
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  • Not all kids getting free or cost-assisted lunches are "poor"!

    Somebody's middle class -- or even upper middle class! -- parent or parents might be unemployed.

    Just an FYI.
  • Anybody can be a critic and call names.
    Lets hear your solutions ?
  • b.t.w , why do game wardens tell us not to feed animals?
    http://www.paws.org/feeding-wildlife.html
  • Both my parents went to college,got married after 21 and had 401ks,saving accounts ect but when 9/11 happened they lost everything in the stock market drop in 2001. My parents were against all government programs from WIC to welfare but when it came to keeping their kids feed their minds changed real quick. My parents didn't "breed" children they had their shit together and life happened. Lifeguard I hope to god nothing ever happens to you that causes you to need gov.assistance but I do hope you would grow a heart.
  • Welfare and social assistance was supposed to be a short term helping hand assist . For people temporarily in trouble until they could get back on their feet. Problem is welfare and social assistance has become a huge governmental bureaucratic empire. People on social assistance are also a powerful block of voters. Is any bureaucrat or left leaning politician going to end their own employment. Or their chances of being voted in by eliminating poverty? My beef is with those people on assistance because they are lazy, immoral. Or decide to have children without a firm long term two parent support system.
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